Which aircraft will live in history forever?

"Frank Vaughan" wrote in message
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In message ,
(robert arndt) wrote:


39. Airbus A.380


How can you possibly list an aircraft that has never flown?

I also believe that you should have included both the Lockheed
C-130 and the Antonov heavy lifer (designation escapes me at the
moment).

Does not being able to remember its name mean it's not even
"living in the present", let alone "history"?

"Brett" wrote in message
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"Andrew Chaplin" wrote:
| Brett wrote:
|
| And the two aircraft that can be considered commercial successes
from
| those committee meetings were the Vickers Viscount (Type IIB) and
de
| Havilland Dove (Type VB). A committee specification that resulted
in
two
| commercial successes out of seven sounds like the committee was a
lot
| better at its job than history reports (its always the Bristol
Brabazon
| that gets the headline).
|
| I saw a Dove once. It was in a Lebanese air force hangar at Beirut,

The Lebanese air force had Devons :-)

My bad... but, considered among the rest of my bads, not that bad. They
both look pretty much the same through a set of binos at seven Km, and
they were never on a Spotter Class List. :^)
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"Brett" wrote in message
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"Andrew Chaplin" wrote:
| Brett wrote:
|
| And the two aircraft that can be considered commercial successes
from
| those committee meetings were the Vickers Viscount (Type IIB) and
de
| Havilland Dove (Type VB). A committee specification that resulted
in
two
| commercial successes out of seven sounds like the committee was a
lot
| better at its job than history reports (its always the Bristol
Brabazon
| that gets the headline).
|
| I saw a Dove once. It was in a Lebanese air force hangar at Beirut,

The Lebanese air force had Devons :-)

'Ang on! According to this, it was Doves.
http://www.worldmiltair.co.uk/aircraft/aaaacaaakn.htm
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

"Andrew Chaplin" wrote:
| "Brett" wrote in message
| ...
| "Andrew Chaplin" wrote:
| | Brett wrote:
| |
| | And the two aircraft that can be considered commercial successes
| from
| | those committee meetings were the Vickers Viscount (Type IIB)
and
| de
| | Havilland Dove (Type VB). A committee specification that
resulted
| in
| two
| | commercial successes out of seven sounds like the committee was
a
| lot
| | better at its job than history reports (its always the Bristol
| Brabazon
| | that gets the headline).
| |
| | I saw a Dove once. It was in a Lebanese air force hangar at
Beirut,
|
| The Lebanese air force had Devons :-)
|
| 'Ang on! According to this, it was Doves.
| http://www.worldmiltair.co.uk/aircraft/aaaacaaakn.htm

Putnam's de Havilland aircraft since 1909 (page 446, 1987 edition) and a
couple of other sources say they were Devons.

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:49:28 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
wrote:

Brett wrote:

And the two aircraft that can be considered commercial successes from
those committee meetings were the Vickers Viscount (Type IIB) and de
Havilland Dove (Type VB). A committee specification that resulted in two
commercial successes out of seven sounds like the committee was a lot
better at its job than history reports (its always the Bristol Brabazon
that gets the headline).

I saw a Dove once. It was in a Lebanese air force hangar at Beirut,
and full of pigeon **** and bullet holes. Sad, really.

I've flown a Dove. It was the one modified for Cranfield and later
sold to National Test Pilot School, which is where I flew it. Had a
bunch of FTE stations in the tube. Even had a trailing bomb for air
data. It might still be flying there.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Frank Vaughan wrote:
In message , "John Keeney"
wrote:


"Frank Vaughan" wrote in message
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In message ,
(robert arndt) wrote:


39. Airbus A.380


How can you possibly list an aircraft that has never flown?

I also believe that you should have included both the Lockheed
C-130 and the Antonov heavy lifer (designation escapes me at the
moment).

Does not being able to remember its name mean it's not even
"living in the present", let alone "history"?


No, it simply means that I was tired when I posted and was
looking forward to a warm, helpful, compassionate posting that
would help me remember. But thanks for trying.

Here you go Frank!

http://www.aviaphoto.ru/antonov/

It's either the An-124 or the An-225. Seeing the An-124 flying over
Oxfordshire, UK and banking into its final approach at Brize Norton is
breath taking!


Richard.

Frank Vaughan wrote:
In message , "John Keeney"
wrote:


"Frank Vaughan" wrote in message
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In message ,
(robert arndt) wrote:


39. Airbus A.380


How can you possibly list an aircraft that has never flown?

I also believe that you should have included both the Lockheed
C-130 and the Antonov heavy lifer (designation escapes me at the
moment).

Does not being able to remember its name mean it's not even
"living in the present", let alone "history"?


No, it simply means that I was tired when I posted and was
looking forward to a warm, helpful, compassionate posting that
would help me remember. But thanks for trying.

Here you go Frank!

http://www.aviaphoto.ru/antonov/

It's either the An-124 or the An-225. Seeing the An-124 flying over
Oxfordshire, UK and banking into its final approach at Brize Norton is
breath taking!


Richard.

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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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What??? No Spirit of St. Louis???



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The difficulty I have with the Spirit of St Louis is that it's a US national
icon and that there's bound to be a fair amount of emotion tied up in
defending it.


Looking a little more dispassionately at the issue, I think Lindberg should
be remembered long after the plane fades into the dim dark past, as it was
really HIS achievement, the plane just had to be there.


By the time Lucky Lindy made the crossing, he was (what ?) the 39th pilot
to cross the pond - but the first to do it alone. Given what he went
through and the number of pilots who disappeared while trying to do the same
makes _Lindberg's_ achievement notable.

He was the 92nd person to fly the Atlantic, but I don't know how many
before him were pilots. Take a look at this:
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mtransatlantic.html

and the book "The 91 Before Lindbergh" by Peter Allen.

The plane that seems to have avoided the Usenet radar is the Vickers Vimy
that Alcock and Brown used to FIRST fly across the Atlantic.

See the above article.
1-6 (May 1919): Lieutenant Commander Albert Read of the U.S. Navy and
his crew (Breese, Hinton, Rhoads, Rodd, and Stone) of the Curtiss NC-4
flew from Newfoundland to Portugal via the Azores.

Alcock and Beown were the first to fly across *non-stop*

While single crew crossings are fairly commonplace these days, they're
dwarfed in numbers by the multi crew crossings that occur in their hundreds
daily, unescorted and unrefuelled - as pioneered by Alcock and Brown in
June 1919.


I've only done it 6 times, surrounded by a couple of hundred of other
people on each occasion.





Cheers

Dave Kearton



--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:17:14 -0700, Frank Vaughan
wrote:

In message , "Richard Brooks"
wrote:

Frank Vaughan wrote:
In message , "John Keeney"
wrote:


No, it simply means that I was tired when I posted and was
looking forward to a warm, helpful, compassionate posting that
would help me remember. But thanks for trying.

Here you go Frank!

http://www.aviaphoto.ru/antonov/

It's either the An-124 or the An-225. Seeing the An-124 flying over
Oxfordshire, UK and banking into its final approach at Brize Norton is
breath taking!


Richard.

Thank you Richard. I saw one of those puppies parked on a taxiway
in Denver one and wished that a 747 has been nearby for a size
comparison.

I suspect that it has carved a unique roll in aviation -- perhaps
as the first modern Russian aircraft to have a worldwide
peacetime role (I'm excluding the former soviet puppets that use
its pax airlines).

What's really surprising was seeing one at a US airbase in
Afghanistan. Not personally of course but the USAF web site had a
photo of a guy on the ground guiding in an AN-124

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:17:14 -0700, Frank Vaughan
wrote:


What's really surprising was seeing one at a US airbase in
Afghanistan. Not personally of course but the USAF web site had a
photo of a guy on the ground guiding in an AN-124



The British forces have been chartering them for heavy lift for some
years now.

Keith