The Swedish Model: How to build a jet fighter.

On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:37:46 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:43:04 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Been there, done that, in front of a MiG-17 who WAS firing from about
500 feet behind me. In an F-105D, at the western end of Phantom Ridge
where it spills out into the Red River Delta, starting the maneuver at
about 800 feet AGL. Worked as advertized, but wouldn't like to have
been there more than once in a lifetime! Wasted way too many
heartbeats.

It is my understanding that the thud was the fastest plane in the
world at low altitude, while the 104 was faster at high altitude. Nice
if you plan to run away, although there is never enough fuel to do the
supersonic bit for long.

Casady

Your understanding was correct. It didn't really take A/B to get going
really quickly on the deck. We often came down the last fifty miles to
a target at 540 indicated with a full load of eight 750 pound bombs
and did nuclear deliveries on the range with a 600 KIAS run-in, all
without burner. You could get supersonic quite easily with a short
blast of burner and it didn't take long to get clear of anything.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Palace Cobra"
www.thunderchief.org

On May 31, 8:53 am, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:37:46 GMT, (Richard



Casady) wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:43:04 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

Been there, done that, in front of a MiG-17 who WAS firing from about
500 feet behind me. In an F-105D, at the western end of Phantom Ridge
where it spills out into the Red River Delta, starting the maneuver at
about 800 feet AGL. Worked as advertized, but wouldn't like to have
been there more than once in a lifetime! Wasted way too many
heartbeats.

It is my understanding that the thud was the fastest plane in the
world at low altitude, while the 104 was faster at high altitude. Nice
if you plan to run away, although there is never enough fuel to do the
supersonic bit for long.

Casady

Your understanding was correct. It didn't really take A/B to get going
really quickly on the deck. We often came down the last fifty miles to
a target at 540 indicated with a full load of eight 750 pound bombs
and did nuclear deliveries on the range with a 600 KIAS run-in, all
without burner. You could get supersonic quite easily with a short
blast of burner and it didn't take long to get clear of anything.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Palace Cobra"www.thunderchief.org

Just imagine though what life would have been like though for the Navy
Spad pilots tasked with throwing some instant sunshine over their
shoulder.

On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:00:40 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:

On May 31, 8:53 am, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:37:46 GMT, (Richard

It is my understanding that the thud was the fastest plane in the
world at low altitude, while the 104 was faster at high altitude. Nice
if you plan to run away, although there is never enough fuel to do the
supersonic bit for long.

Casady

Your understanding was correct. It didn't really take A/B to get going
really quickly on the deck. We often came down the last fifty miles to
a target at 540 indicated with a full load of eight 750 pound bombs
and did nuclear deliveries on the range with a 600 KIAS run-in, all
without burner. You could get supersonic quite easily with a short
blast of burner and it didn't take long to get clear of anything.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Palace Cobra"www.thunderchief.org

Just imagine though what life would have been like though for the Navy
Spad pilots tasked with throwing some instant sunshine over their
shoulder.

It didn't make much difference. They delivered smaller yield weapons
and the margins were just as close for the faster jets hauling larger
bangs. The "safe separation" distance from your own blast was so
critical that when they painted the F-105s in camo they had to
recalculate all of the nuclear delivery parameters--the reflective
quality of the shiny aluminum was less heat absorbent than the dark
colors of the camo.

Ever ask the question of why a camo airplane should be white on the
underside?

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Palace Cobra"
www.thunderchief.org

In message , Ed Rasimus
writes
Ever ask the question of why a camo airplane should be white on the
underside?

This was why RN Sea Harriers got repainted on their way south in 1982:
the gloss white underpinnings were unlikely to be required for that
particular conflict, and were likely to draw unfriendly eyes more than a
more subdued scheme might.

Why should delivering a "600lb Bomb, Medium Case" have been such a big
deal anyway?


--
The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


pauldotjdotadam[at]googlemail{dot}.com

On May 31, 12:06 pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:00:40 -0700 (PDT), Ron
wrote:



On May 31, 8:53 am, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 22:37:46 GMT, (Richard

It is my understanding that the thud was the fastest plane in the
world at low altitude, while the 104 was faster at high altitude. Nice
if you plan to run away, although there is never enough fuel to do the
supersonic bit for long.

Casady

Your understanding was correct. It didn't really take A/B to get going
really quickly on the deck. We often came down the last fifty miles to
a target at 540 indicated with a full load of eight 750 pound bombs
and did nuclear deliveries on the range with a 600 KIAS run-in, all
without burner. You could get supersonic quite easily with a short
blast of burner and it didn't take long to get clear of anything.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Palace Cobra"www.thunderchief.org

Just imagine though what life would have been like though for the Navy
Spad pilots tasked with throwing some instant sunshine over their
shoulder.

It didn't make much difference. They delivered smaller yield weapons
and the margins were just as close for the faster jets hauling larger
bangs. The "safe separation" distance from your own blast was so
critical that when they painted the F-105s in camo they had to
recalculate all of the nuclear delivery parameters--the reflective
quality of the shiny aluminum was less heat absorbent than the dark
colors of the camo.

Ever ask the question of why a camo airplane should be white on the
underside?

My guess, don't fry the sperm.
Please do NOT confuse,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba
with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Bamba_(song)

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Palace Cobra"www.thunderchief.org
Cheers
Ken