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"The Saudi Sycophants"

Not since the Vanderbilt's and Carnegie's and their opulent robber baron
era of the 1800's have "We the People"
been controlled by "We the Few". The oil SCAM being perpetrated on the
American people by the Bush Administration is the greatest crime we have
known in nearly one hundred years. It may only be surpassed by the Woodrow
Wilson Administration and his freedom robbing scam called the Federal
reserve along with it's evil spawn the IRS.

Being stupid is a good alternative if you don't want to bother to actually
learn the facts. As is being an environmentalist. The first is cerebial; the
second is political. Eithor way, the result is the same.

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:50:55 -0400, "Birdog" wrote in
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Being stupid is a good alternative if you don't want to bother to actually
learn the facts. As is being an environmentalist.

Catering to environmentalists may be more financially rewarding than
it is political. I look for photo voltaics to be the next dot-com
investment vogue. It sure seems to be working for this enterprising
fellow:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006...as_richest.php
China’s Richest Man: A Solar Magnate
by Alex Pasternack, Beijing, China on 11.14.06
Last month, we reported that China’s (and the world’s) richest
woman built her wealth on recycling. In another sign of the
country’s shift from red to green, its wealthiest man (by some
estimates) is making a windfall on solar energy. While Shi
Zhengrong, the founder and CEO of Wuxi-based Suntech Power, is
known as the richest man on the mainland or just China’s
wealthiest energy magnate, his Australian citizenship means he
cannot hold the title of the richest Chinese man according to
Forbes (that just went to Huang Guangyu, an electronics
entrepreneur). But that's a technicality, and who’s counting
anyway?

What counts more are the waves Shi’s making in China. Since 2005,
when Shi’s Suntech became the first hi-tech Chinese company to
make an initial public offering on the New York Stock Exchange, on
the strength of his business savvy and commitment to innovation,
the company’s revenue has zoomed to $226 million last year from
just $14 million in 2003 (it’s made $218 million so far this
year). These days, analysts count Suntech as one of the world’s
top ten producers of photo-voltaic (PV) cells, with a new U.S.
subsidiary and a dramatic cost advantage: its high-efficiency
solar modules go for $3.78 a watt, well below the average global
market price of $4.30. Shi’s story is a nice healthy reminder for
China and everyone else of the link between green innovation and
green backs, and proof of how fast solar energy is bounding out
from the fringes and into the sunlight.

Currently, most of Suntech’s solar cells are sent to the global
solar market, where demand has reached 5 gigawatts (the world can
only supply enough silicon to supply between 2.2 and 2.4 gigawatts
currently). But Suntech is making over half of China’s solar
panels, which are sometimes the only feasible energy option ...



http://www.suntech-power.com/
http://www.suntech-power.com/product...rystalline.php
http://www.suntech-power.com/product...erformance.php
Cost Performance

On average around the world, sunlight delivers a barrel of oil of
energy on every square meter of land every year. At $100 a barrel,
a 100m2 roof is receiving $10,000/yr of energy - a quarter of a
million dollars over 25 years. With photovoltaic systems we can
convert up to 20% of this raw energy directly into electricity.
Unlike traditional power sources whose economics depends on the
ever changing price of fuel, solar energy systems come with a 25
year guaranteed free fuel supply direct from the Sun. While
electricity prices are increasing all around the world, once you
have invested in a solar system you will have little or no
additional costs to pay.

Our building integrated (BIPV) modules are unique building
materials that generate revenue. When compared to other high
quality glazing and cladding materials, a BIPV system is extremely
reasonable. Many other glazing options can be comparable in cost,
while materials such as granite and marble are more expensive (and
produce no income stream!).

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:50:55 -0400, "Birdog" wrote in
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Being stupid is a good alternative if you don't want to bother to actually
learn the facts. As is being an environmentalist.

Catering to environmentalists may be more financially rewarding than
it is political. I look for photo voltaics to be the next dot-com
investment vogue.


It is only financially rewarding because it was made politically correct
to be an environmentalist.

"next dot-com investment vogue" you may be right but a lot of folks lost
a lot of money when that bubble burst.

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:09:25 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
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Larry Dighera wrote:

Catering to environmentalists may be more financially rewarding than
it is political. I look for photo voltaics to be the next dot-com
investment vogue.


It is only financially rewarding because it was made politically correct
to be an environmentalist.

Perhaps. But with the current record market prices for crude oil, you
can bet photo voltaics will become a lot more popular and attractive
to the general public as solar electricity becomes more competitive
with coal/natural gas/oil. While that won't directly relieve the
financial burden on pilots, in the long run it could reduce our
nation's dependency on petroleum based energy. That's got to be a
good thing for US independence from the whims of foreign nations as
well as being more environmentally friendly.


"next dot-com investment vogue" you may be right but a lot of folks lost
a lot of money when that bubble burst.

Doesn't that usually occur at the end of most of these popular
investment cycles?

Personally, I don't see the demand for energy slacking any time soon,
so I foresee a much longer investment cycle in the solar and wind
power marketplace.

Larry Dighera wrote:

Perhaps. But with the current record market prices for crude oil, you
can bet photo voltaics will become a lot more popular and attractive
to the general public as solar electricity becomes more competitive
with coal/natural gas/oil. While that won't directly relieve the
financial burden on pilots, in the long run it could reduce our
nation's dependency on petroleum based energy. That's got to be a
good thing for US independence from the whims of foreign nations as
well as being more environmentally friendly.

Non sequitur.

Electricity doesn't compete with oil and one has nothing to do with
the other in the existing, real world.

Coal is not oil and US coal comes from the US.

Natural gas is not oil and US natural gas comes from the US and Canada.

Personally, I don't see the demand for energy slacking any time soon,
so I foresee a much longer investment cycle in the solar and wind
power marketplace.

Until the subsidies run out like last time.


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Jim Pennino

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Larry Dighera wrote:

Electricity doesn't compete with oil and one has nothing to do with
the other in the existing, real world.

Coal is not oil and US coal comes from the US.

Natural gas is not oil and US natural gas comes from the US and Canada.


I can use all of the above to heat my house. In the last 12 months, I spent
$2200 on natural gas. My sister-in-law heats with electricity.

For this purpose, they're interchangable.

I forget - Kalifornia isn't the real world.

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Larry Dighera wrote:

Electricity doesn't compete with oil and one has nothing to do with
the other in the existing, real world.

Coal is not oil and US coal comes from the US.

Natural gas is not oil and US natural gas comes from the US and Canada.


I can use all of the above to heat my house. In the last 12 months, I spent
$2200 on natural gas. My sister-in-law heats with electricity.

For this purpose, they're interchangable.

Yeah, so what?

Most building heat on the West side of the US is natural gas and has
been for about a half century.

You will be hard pressed to find any new construction (or within the
past couple of decades) that uses anything other than gas for building
heat in an area with a gas distribution system.

Using electricity for heat is a dumb idea unless you are getting
your power from the TVA for essentially nothing.


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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

It is only financially rewarding because it was made politically correct
to be an environmentalist.

Depends on where you live and the specific issues. There are more types
and degrees of environmentalists out here as there are states in the
union.

-c

gatt wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

It is only financially rewarding because it was made politically
correct to be an environmentalist.

Depends on where you live and the specific issues. There are more types
and degrees of environmentalists out here as there are states in the union.

-c

I have to disagree with you here. Pretty much everywhere in the US,
including the oil producing and processing states it is politically
correct to be an environmentalist right now.

Larry Dighera wrote:

On average around the world, sunlight delivers a barrel of oil of
energy on every square meter of land every year. At $100 a barrel,
a 100m2 roof is receiving $10,000/yr of energy - a quarter of a
million dollars over 25 years. With photovoltaic systems we can
convert up to 20% of this raw energy directly into electricity.

Electricity has little to nothing to do with oil.

This is just apples and oranges arm waving.

The other minor problem no one cares to address is that contrary to
what most people think, peak electricity demand is typically after
sundown.


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