ICAO Flight Plans - RNAV/RNP??

On May 30, 9:07*pm, rank amature wrote:
On May 28, 10:20*pm, Dan wrote:

All,

I am trying to figure out how to complete the ICAO information on
fltplan.com for filing a flightplan for a C182 with a Garmin 530W.
The RNAV/RNP stuff has me confused. *What would the proper answers be
for an aircraft with a 530W? How about a standard Garmin 430?

Not quite sure what you are asking. In the US RNP reqiures SAAAR .
Who do you fly for ?

Frank



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Just a personal C182.... Nothing fancy, no special training or
certification. I just want to ensure I can use the GPS for arrivals,
departures, approaches, and enroute ops (as I already do now).

On 2 juin, 19:47, Dan wrote:
On May 30, 9:07*pm, rank amature wrote:



On May 28, 10:20*pm, Dan wrote:

All,

I am trying to figure out how to complete the ICAO information on
fltplan.com for filing a flightplan for a C182 with a Garmin 530W.
The RNAV/RNP stuff has me confused. *What would the proper answers be
for an aircraft with a 530W? How about a standard Garmin 430?

Not quite sure what you are asking. In the US RNP reqiures SAAAR .
Who do you fly for ?

Frank

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Just a personal C182.... Nothing fancy, no special training or
certification. *I just want to ensure I can use the GPS for arrivals,
departures, approaches, and enroute ops (as I already do now).

SG/S is OK. It says you have B-RNAV capabilities, which is OK to fly
SID/STAR based on RNAV (unless the chart says P-RNAV required).

"Dan" wrote in message
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Just a personal C182.... Nothing fancy, no special training or
certification. I just want to ensure I can use the GPS for arrivals,
departures, approaches, and enroute ops (as I already do now).

My limited understanding of RNAV/RNP is it's just being implemented at the
largest air carrier airports at this time.

I know in the DFW metroplex, DFW airport is the only airport in the area
using RNAV (departures only). They may start using them at DAL sometime in
the future. Air carriers are the only ones I've seen using the procedures.

I can imagine there are a few hoops you have to dive through to meet SAAAR
and even if you could do all that, the only RNAV procedures I've seen are
for jets (perhaps there are others, but I'm only familiar with the ones in
my area).

Even given all that, RNAV procedures seem to have a pretty high level of
pilot deviations. My guess for this is there's a lot of people out there
not programming the box correctly.

My guess is eventually RNAV will be implemented much more widely as it
reduces controller and pilot workload, but it may be quite a while before
you see very many single engine prop guys doing it.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:47:48 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

"Dan" wrote in message
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Just a personal C182.... Nothing fancy, no special training or
certification. I just want to ensure I can use the GPS for arrivals,
departures, approaches, and enroute ops (as I already do now).

My limited understanding of RNAV/RNP is it's just being implemented at the
largest air carrier airports at this time.

I know in the DFW metroplex, DFW airport is the only airport in the area
using RNAV (departures only). They may start using them at DAL sometime in
the future. Air carriers are the only ones I've seen using the procedures.

I can imagine there are a few hoops you have to dive through to meet SAAAR
and even if you could do all that, the only RNAV procedures I've seen are
for jets (perhaps there are others, but I'm only familiar with the ones in
my area).

Even given all that, RNAV procedures seem to have a pretty high level of
pilot deviations. My guess for this is there's a lot of people out there
not programming the box correctly.

My guess is eventually RNAV will be implemented much more widely as it
reduces controller and pilot workload, but it may be quite a while before
you see very many single engine prop guys doing it.

SAAAR != this kind of RNAV. See say COSTR.COSTR1 or BAIRN.BAIRN1 at
MCO for a standard RNAV1 STAR that doesn't say "applies to turbojet
aircraft only" and applies to the various Orlando airports (first area
that comes to mind since I was just down there, but I'm sure there are
other RNAV arrivals that apply to reliever airports and aren't
turbojet only).