Ram air

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Tony
wrote:


Ram air is only as useful the allowing air to get to your carburater
faster but is not necessarily used. When your piston is on its intake
stroke(vaccum) your combustion chamber can only draw in enough air
that is in conjuction to the chambers volume and all other air that is
present after the compression stroke is exported to engines smog
devices and is recirculated only AFTER being filtered. All engines
come off the assembly lines, be it an airplane motor or a vehicle
motor, to draw the amount of air that it needs to run at opptimum
performance. Ram Air is a myth and don't try to throw "turbo" into
the conversation because turbo is recircualted exhaust and still has
unburnt fuel in the fumes.

I think you are quite wrong. Ram air in fact gives us a half inch or
so more manifold pressure, and that increases the total weight of the
air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. Reduce your 'it doesn't matter
argument to an extreme to see how it fails.

As for turbos, the turbine is powered by the exhaust gasses coming
from the engine, the exhaust gas itself is not reintroduced into the
cylinders. The turbine itself could be powered by an electric motor,
for that matter. That was the model for my tongue in cheek comment
about using a shop vac to increase manifold pressure.

will you marry me?

--
dave hillstrom mhm15x4 zrbj
"i believe that the word "****head" has become so wide spread and
nearly meaningless as to qualify as a metavariable, similar to "foo"
and "bar". and that it should uphold the responsibilities and enjoy
the privileges of the new office. here here!!"
-dave hillstrom

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:51:47 -0400, dave hillstrom
wrote:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Tony
wrote:


Ram air is only as useful the allowing air to get to your carburater
faster but is not necessarily used. When your piston is on its intake
stroke(vaccum) your combustion chamber can only draw in enough air
that is in conjuction to the chambers volume and all other air that is
present after the compression stroke is exported to engines smog
devices and is recirculated only AFTER being filtered. All engines
come off the assembly lines, be it an airplane motor or a vehicle
motor, to draw the amount of air that it needs to run at opptimum
performance. Ram Air is a myth and don't try to throw "turbo" into
the conversation because turbo is recircualted exhaust and still has
unburnt fuel in the fumes.

I think you are quite wrong. Ram air in fact gives us a half inch or
so more manifold pressure, and that increases the total weight of the
air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. Reduce your 'it doesn't matter
argument to an extreme to see how it fails.

As for turbos, the turbine is powered by the exhaust gasses coming
from the engine, the exhaust gas itself is not reintroduced into the
cylinders. The turbine itself could be powered by an electric motor,
for that matter. That was the model for my tongue in cheek comment
about using a shop vac to increase manifold pressure.

will you marry me?

dave the term is not foo and bar.
foo *is* a term from another war and another airforce
but the term you've so successfully stuffed up is fubar
fubar is a vietnam era acronym of F***ed up beyond all recognition.

your sig line is a snafu
(situation normal all F***ed up)

Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:51:47 -0400, dave hillstrom
wrote:


On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Tony
wrote:


Ram air is only as useful the allowing air to get to your carburater
faster but is not necessarily used. When your piston is on its intake
stroke(vaccum) your combustion chamber can only draw in enough air
that is in conjuction to the chambers volume and all other air that is
present after the compression stroke is exported to engines smog
devices and is recirculated only AFTER being filtered. All engines
come off the assembly lines, be it an airplane motor or a vehicle
motor, to draw the amount of air that it needs to run at opptimum
performance. Ram Air is a myth and don't try to throw "turbo" into
the conversation because turbo is recircualted exhaust and still has
unburnt fuel in the fumes.

I think you are quite wrong. Ram air in fact gives us a half inch or
so more manifold pressure, and that increases the total weight of the
air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. Reduce your 'it doesn't matter
argument to an extreme to see how it fails.

As for turbos, the turbine is powered by the exhaust gasses coming

from the engine, the exhaust gas itself is not reintroduced into the

cylinders. The turbine itself could be powered by an electric motor,
for that matter. That was the model for my tongue in cheek comment
about using a shop vac to increase manifold pressure.

will you marry me?

dave the term is not foo and bar.
foo *is* a term from another war and another airforce
but the term you've so successfully stuffed up is fubar
fubar is a vietnam era acronym of F***ed up beyond all recognition.

your sig line is a snafu
(situation normal all F***ed up)

Yore 'rong. foo and bar are metasyntactic variables. They aren't
acronyms (they're metasyntactic variables).

Like being the John and Jane Doe of computer engineering - placeholders.

Fubar predates WWII.

--
nuts

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:17:17 -0400, mixed nuts
wrote:

Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:51:47 -0400, dave hillstrom
wrote:


On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Tony
wrote:


Ram air is only as useful the allowing air to get to your carburater
faster but is not necessarily used. When your piston is on its intake
stroke(vaccum) your combustion chamber can only draw in enough air
that is in conjuction to the chambers volume and all other air that is
present after the compression stroke is exported to engines smog
devices and is recirculated only AFTER being filtered. All engines
come off the assembly lines, be it an airplane motor or a vehicle
motor, to draw the amount of air that it needs to run at opptimum
performance. Ram Air is a myth and don't try to throw "turbo" into
the conversation because turbo is recircualted exhaust and still has
unburnt fuel in the fumes.

I think you are quite wrong. Ram air in fact gives us a half inch or
so more manifold pressure, and that increases the total weight of the
air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. Reduce your 'it doesn't matter
argument to an extreme to see how it fails.

As for turbos, the turbine is powered by the exhaust gasses coming

from the engine, the exhaust gas itself is not reintroduced into the

cylinders. The turbine itself could be powered by an electric motor,
for that matter. That was the model for my tongue in cheek comment
about using a shop vac to increase manifold pressure.

will you marry me?

dave the term is not foo and bar.
foo *is* a term from another war and another airforce
but the term you've so successfully stuffed up is fubar
fubar is a vietnam era acronym of F***ed up beyond all recognition.

your sig line is a snafu
(situation normal all F***ed up)

Yore 'rong. foo and bar are metasyntactic variables. They aren't
acronyms (they're metasyntactic variables).

Like being the John and Jane Doe of computer engineering - placeholders.

Fubar predates WWII.
************************************************

Can you quote?

WWII Vet

Big John

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:17:17 -0400, mixed nuts
wrote:

Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:51:47 -0400, dave hillstrom
wrote:


On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Tony
wrote:


Ram air is only as useful the allowing air to get to your carburater
faster but is not necessarily used. When your piston is on its intake
stroke(vaccum) your combustion chamber can only draw in enough air
that is in conjuction to the chambers volume and all other air that is
present after the compression stroke is exported to engines smog
devices and is recirculated only AFTER being filtered. All engines
come off the assembly lines, be it an airplane motor or a vehicle
motor, to draw the amount of air that it needs to run at opptimum
performance. Ram Air is a myth and don't try to throw "turbo" into
the conversation because turbo is recircualted exhaust and still has
unburnt fuel in the fumes.

I think you are quite wrong. Ram air in fact gives us a half inch or
so more manifold pressure, and that increases the total weight of the
air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. Reduce your 'it doesn't matter
argument to an extreme to see how it fails.

As for turbos, the turbine is powered by the exhaust gasses coming

from the engine, the exhaust gas itself is not reintroduced into the

cylinders. The turbine itself could be powered by an electric motor,
for that matter. That was the model for my tongue in cheek comment
about using a shop vac to increase manifold pressure.

will you marry me?

dave the term is not foo and bar.
foo *is* a term from another war and another airforce
but the term you've so successfully stuffed up is fubar
fubar is a vietnam era acronym of F***ed up beyond all recognition.

your sig line is a snafu
(situation normal all F***ed up)

Yore 'rong. foo and bar are metasyntactic variables. They aren't
acronyms (they're metasyntactic variables).

Like being the John and Jane Doe of computer engineering - placeholders.

Fubar predates WWII.

dont agree.
foo for instance is a quite infamous cartoon of a guy peeping over a
fence with the line 'foo was here'

foo is the 'forward observation officer' the guy who used to tootle
over the lines in an auster or a cub spotting for artillery and
fighters. verrah verrah british ol' chap. verrah verrah courageous
flying too boot.

Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot wrote in
:

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:17:17 -0400, mixed nuts
wrote:

Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:51:47 -0400, dave hillstrom
wrote:


On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:12:26 -0700 (PDT), Tony
wrote:


Ram air is only as useful the allowing air to get to your
carburater faster but is not necessarily used. When your piston is
on its intake stroke(vaccum) your combustion chamber can only draw
in enough air that is in conjuction to the chambers volume and all
other air that is present after the compression stroke is exported
to engines smog devices and is recirculated only AFTER being
filtered. All engines come off the assembly lines, be it an
airplane motor or a vehicle motor, to draw the amount of air that
it needs to run at opptimum performance. Ram Air is a myth and
don't try to throw "turbo" into the conversation because turbo is
recircualted exhaust and still has unburnt fuel in the fumes.

I think you are quite wrong. Ram air in fact gives us a half inch
or so more manifold pressure, and that increases the total weight
of the air-fuel mixture in the cylinder. Reduce your 'it doesn't
matter argument to an extreme to see how it fails.

As for turbos, the turbine is powered by the exhaust gasses coming

from the engine, the exhaust gas itself is not reintroduced into
the

cylinders. The turbine itself could be powered by an electric
motor, for that matter. That was the model for my tongue in cheek
comment about using a shop vac to increase manifold pressure.

will you marry me?

dave the term is not foo and bar.
foo *is* a term from another war and another airforce
but the term you've so successfully stuffed up is fubar
fubar is a vietnam era acronym of F***ed up beyond all recognition.

your sig line is a snafu
(situation normal all F***ed up)

Yore 'rong. foo and bar are metasyntactic variables. They aren't
acronyms (they're metasyntactic variables).

Like being the John and Jane Doe of computer engineering -
placeholders.

Fubar predates WWII.

dont agree.
foo for instance is a quite infamous cartoon of a guy peeping over a
fence with the line 'foo was here'

foo is the 'forward observation officer' the guy who used to tootle
over the lines in an auster or a cub spotting for artillery and
fighters. verrah verrah british ol' chap. verrah verrah courageous
flying too boot.


Actually, "Foo" came from Smokey Stover, and was a corruption of the
french "feux" ( Smokey was a fireman) He called himself a "Foo fighter"
and juxtaposed with the term UFO (which at the beginning of it's life
just meant anything that pilots couldn't identify and had nothing to do
with little gray men) a UFO became a foo fighter to USAAC pilots in WW2.
While I'm sure the Forward Observation Officer thing is also true,
Smokey Stover was really popular at the time and was the source of a
large number of slang words used during the war.
I always loved his car!

Bertie

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:21:50 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:


fence with the line 'foo was here'

foo is the 'forward observation officer' the guy who used to tootle
over the lines in an auster or a cub spotting for artillery and
fighters. verrah verrah british ol' chap. verrah verrah courageous
flying too boot.


Actually, "Foo" came from Smokey Stover, and was a corruption of the
french "feux" ( Smokey was a fireman) He called himself a "Foo fighter"
and juxtaposed with the term UFO (which at the beginning of it's life
just meant anything that pilots couldn't identify and had nothing to do
with little gray men) a UFO became a foo fighter to USAAC pilots in WW2.
While I'm sure the Forward Observation Officer thing is also true,
Smokey Stover was really popular at the time and was the source of a
large number of slang words used during the war.
I always loved his car!

Bertie

interesting. smokey never seemed to make it into our war history.
dont doubt you though.

Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot wrote in
:

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:21:50 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:


fence with the line 'foo was here'

foo is the 'forward observation officer' the guy who used to tootle
over the lines in an auster or a cub spotting for artillery and
fighters. verrah verrah british ol' chap. verrah verrah courageous
flying too boot.


Actually, "Foo" came from Smokey Stover, and was a corruption of the
french "feux" ( Smokey was a fireman) He called himself a "Foo fighter"
and juxtaposed with the term UFO (which at the beginning of it's life
just meant anything that pilots couldn't identify and had nothing to do
with little gray men) a UFO became a foo fighter to USAAC pilots in WW2.
While I'm sure the Forward Observation Officer thing is also true,
Smokey Stover was really popular at the time and was the source of a
large number of slang words used during the war.
I always loved his car!

Bertie

interesting. smokey never seemed to make it into our war history.
dont doubt you though.


Oh it's true. In much the same way as modern cartoon culture makes it into
every day life. How many guys do you know who say "Doh"?
Smokey was cool if a bit dated by the time it bit the dust, which must have
been in the 60s. Corny, but simultaneously quite surreal.

Bertie

On Jun 5, 11:21 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Actually, "Foo" came from Smokey Stover, and was a corruption of the
french "feux" ( Smokey was a fireman) He called himself a "Foo fighter"
and juxtaposed with the term UFO (which at the beginning of it's life
just meant anything that pilots couldn't identify and had nothing to do
with little gray men) a UFO became a foo fighter to USAAC pilots in WW2.
While I'm sure the Forward Observation Officer thing is also true,
Smokey Stover was really popular at the time and was the source of a
large number of slang words used during the war.
I always loved his car!

Bertie

Notary Sojac (from memory...not Googled)

cavedweller wrote in news:ecad1ae9-5348-4dfc-b881-
:

On Jun 5, 11:21 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Actually, "Foo" came from Smokey Stover, and was a corruption of the
french "feux" ( Smokey was a fireman) He called himself a "Foo fighter"
and juxtaposed with the term UFO (which at the beginning of it's life
just meant anything that pilots couldn't identify and had nothing to do
with little gray men) a UFO became a foo fighter to USAAC pilots in WW2.
While I'm sure the Forward Observation Officer thing is also true,
Smokey Stover was really popular at the time and was the source of a
large number of slang words used during the war.
I always loved his car!

Bertie

Notary Sojac (from memory...not Googled)



Oh yeah! Have no idea what that meant! I looked up his website a few years
back for some reason. He had loads of weird sayings that probably meant
something or another to older guys of the WW2 generation. He almost
certainly decorated a few airplanes in WW2 as well..



Bertie