Ram air

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:31:53 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Jun 1, 7:59 pm, wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:06 pm, Gezellig wrote:



It happens that formulated :

In the 1970's Ford sold some cars with "Ram-Air Induction"
systems. A scoop mounted on the carb that stuck out above the
hood, to ram vast volumes of air into the carb and get way more
horsepower. That's what they wanted you to believe. At 60 mph the
pressure recovery would have been laughably tiny, but Ford's
profits were impressive.

Had a Trans Am, scoop was reversed, facing the windshield, had a
flap that opened when MP increased. They claimd that the reversed
position was at the low pressure point at the base of the
windshield hence enhancing the rammed air effect. I don't know, it
was cool, the scoop assembly was attached to the engine so that on
acceleration you could see the engine sitting down on its mounts as
the scopp popped open and lowere ever so slightly.

Locating the scoop at the low-pressure point wouldn't do much
for ram-air effect, would it? I think the real idea would have been
to make sure the driver heard that thing sucking loudly so it sounded
like a real powerhouse
I once converted a 14 foot outboard runabout to a 13 foot
inboard Cracker Box with a Chev 283 straight-shaft setup. The
exhausts were water-cooled and exited through the transom. Made so
much noise that I made two mufflers and quieted it right down. The
carb's flame arrestor stuck up far enough that I had a scoop on the
deck, facing away from the cockpit (which was at the back).
Everything else was covered. I dropped my Dad off on a gravel bar on
a lake once, so he could fish off it while I ran to the far end of
the lake to try the fishing there, three or four miles away. He told
me he knew when I was coming back; he could hear that Rochester
Quadrajet four-barrel open up and suck vast quantities of air; the
boat got one mile per gallon at full throttle with that huge carb.
But went real fast. I sold it years ago and I bet it don't go real
fast no more, with fuel prices the way they are now.
Dan

I confess to enjoying ancedotal stories.
As a monster nut brat I got some tin cans together
and built a pulse jet, complete with a flapping duct
input, and used a hair dryer for my air input source,
in my parents downstairs fireplace.
So I pour in some gas into the thing, lite it up,
turn on the hair dryer and holy poop, the duct starts
fluttering and flames are fluttering out the ass end!
It worked! It buzzed!

I probably used a pint of gasoline per minute of
operation, but that wasn't the point, it was actually
seeing the damn thing in operation.
Hands on is good stuff.


Please do build another one just like that and put it on youtube, then..


I've only ever seen one person die right in front of my eyes before.


Bertie
************************************************** *******

Bertie

I've seen two. Both stalled and spun in (

Big John

Big John wrote in
:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:31:53 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Jun 1, 7:59 pm, wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:06 pm, Gezellig wrote:



It happens that formulated :

In the 1970's Ford sold some cars with "Ram-Air Induction"
systems. A scoop mounted on the carb that stuck out above the
hood, to ram vast volumes of air into the carb and get way more
horsepower. That's what they wanted you to believe. At 60 mph
the
pressure recovery would have been laughably tiny, but Ford's
profits were impressive.

Had a Trans Am, scoop was reversed, facing the windshield, had a
flap that opened when MP increased. They claimd that the reversed
position was at the low pressure point at the base of the
windshield hence enhancing the rammed air effect. I don't know,
it
was cool, the scoop assembly was attached to the engine so that
on
acceleration you could see the engine sitting down on its mounts
as
the scopp popped open and lowere ever so slightly.

Locating the scoop at the low-pressure point wouldn't do
much
for ram-air effect, would it? I think the real idea would have been
to make sure the driver heard that thing sucking loudly so it
sounded
like a real powerhouse
I once converted a 14 foot outboard runabout to a 13 foot
inboard Cracker Box with a Chev 283 straight-shaft setup. The
exhausts were water-cooled and exited through the transom. Made so
much noise that I made two mufflers and quieted it right down. The
carb's flame arrestor stuck up far enough that I had a scoop on the
deck, facing away from the cockpit (which was at the back).
Everything else was covered. I dropped my Dad off on a gravel bar
on
a lake once, so he could fish off it while I ran to the far end of
the lake to try the fishing there, three or four miles away. He
told
me he knew when I was coming back; he could hear that Rochester
Quadrajet four-barrel open up and suck vast quantities of air; the
boat got one mile per gallon at full throttle with that huge carb.
But went real fast. I sold it years ago and I bet it don't go real
fast no more, with fuel prices the way they are now.
Dan

I confess to enjoying ancedotal stories.
As a monster nut brat I got some tin cans together
and built a pulse jet, complete with a flapping duct
input, and used a hair dryer for my air input source,
in my parents downstairs fireplace.
So I pour in some gas into the thing, lite it up,
turn on the hair dryer and holy poop, the duct starts
fluttering and flames are fluttering out the ass end!
It worked! It buzzed!

I probably used a pint of gasoline per minute of
operation, but that wasn't the point, it was actually
seeing the damn thing in operation.
Hands on is good stuff.


Please do build another one just like that and put it on youtube,
then..


I've only ever seen one person die right in front of my eyes before.


Bertie
************************************************** *******

Bertie

I've seen two. Both stalled and spun in (

Big John


Neer seen one die in an airplane accident in front of my eyes, but seen
the aftermath, unfortunatley. Seen a girl crushed in a crowd right in
front of me. Yipes. Saw a few die in an ICU a few years ago. That wasnt
so bad, somehow.


Bertie

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 03:28:59 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Big John wrote in
:

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:31:53 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
:

On Jun 1, 7:59 pm, wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:06 pm, Gezellig wrote:



It happens that formulated :

In the 1970's Ford sold some cars with "Ram-Air Induction"
systems. A scoop mounted on the carb that stuck out above the
hood, to ram vast volumes of air into the carb and get way more
horsepower. That's what they wanted you to believe. At 60 mph
the
pressure recovery would have been laughably tiny, but Ford's
profits were impressive.

Had a Trans Am, scoop was reversed, facing the windshield, had a
flap that opened when MP increased. They claimd that the reversed
position was at the low pressure point at the base of the
windshield hence enhancing the rammed air effect. I don't know,
it
was cool, the scoop assembly was attached to the engine so that
on
acceleration you could see the engine sitting down on its mounts
as
the scopp popped open and lowere ever so slightly.

Locating the scoop at the low-pressure point wouldn't do
much
for ram-air effect, would it? I think the real idea would have been
to make sure the driver heard that thing sucking loudly so it
sounded
like a real powerhouse
I once converted a 14 foot outboard runabout to a 13 foot
inboard Cracker Box with a Chev 283 straight-shaft setup. The
exhausts were water-cooled and exited through the transom. Made so
much noise that I made two mufflers and quieted it right down. The
carb's flame arrestor stuck up far enough that I had a scoop on the
deck, facing away from the cockpit (which was at the back).
Everything else was covered. I dropped my Dad off on a gravel bar
on
a lake once, so he could fish off it while I ran to the far end of
the lake to try the fishing there, three or four miles away. He
told
me he knew when I was coming back; he could hear that Rochester
Quadrajet four-barrel open up and suck vast quantities of air; the
boat got one mile per gallon at full throttle with that huge carb.
But went real fast. I sold it years ago and I bet it don't go real
fast no more, with fuel prices the way they are now.
Dan

I confess to enjoying ancedotal stories.
As a monster nut brat I got some tin cans together
and built a pulse jet, complete with a flapping duct
input, and used a hair dryer for my air input source,
in my parents downstairs fireplace.
So I pour in some gas into the thing, lite it up,
turn on the hair dryer and holy poop, the duct starts
fluttering and flames are fluttering out the ass end!
It worked! It buzzed!

I probably used a pint of gasoline per minute of
operation, but that wasn't the point, it was actually
seeing the damn thing in operation.
Hands on is good stuff.


Please do build another one just like that and put it on youtube,
then..


I've only ever seen one person die right in front of my eyes before.


Bertie
************************************************** *******

Bertie

I've seen two. Both stalled and spun in (

Big John


Neer seen one die in an airplane accident in front of my eyes, but seen
the aftermath, unfortunatley. Seen a girl crushed in a crowd right in
front of me. Yipes. Saw a few die in an ICU a few years ago. That wasnt
so bad, somehow.


Bertie

**************************************
Bertie

Death is not a pleasant occurrence or subject.

First was a 51 that stalled in pattern and made about one full turn
before hitting water off end of R/W in Japan. Never saw the remains. I
was about 100 yards from impact.

Second was a P-80. Took of on a test flight at Willie Air Patch (First
Jet School) and stalled about 1000 feet (for some reason) and made
several turns before impact. Burned. I was one of the first on scene
and covered the torso . Arms and legs had burned off in fire (

This is not a good subject for RAP.

Fly safe and live long.

Big John

Big John wrote in
:

**************************************
Bertie

Death is not a pleasant occurrence or subject.


Well, at 95, in your own bed, not so bad.

First was a 51 that stalled in pattern and made about one full turn
before hitting water off end of R/W in Japan. Never saw the remains. I
was about 100 yards from impact.

Second was a P-80. Took of on a test flight at Willie Air Patch (First
Jet School) and stalled about 1000 feet (for some reason) and made
several turns before impact. Burned. I was one of the first on scene
and covered the torso . Arms and legs had burned off in fire (

This is not a good subject for RAP.

Yeh,

Fly safe and live long.


Do my best!


Bertie

I always wondered if they cut his microphone off so they couldn't hear him
freaking out as the ground loomed nearer and nearer and nearer and then
screaming in terror/pain as he started to skim the ground. Can you imagine
having to listen to that? It would be like, "Oh man... Oh MAN. HOLY
****!! GET ME THE **** OUT OF HERE GODDAMMIT!!!!! OH MY GOD
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" and then there would be utter silence and a long reddish
brown trail of goo down the runway.

We've all heard those stories, and there are many more equally
horrible. I think what the people who were on the Indy when it was
torpedoed toward the end of WW2 went through is at least as horrible,
and we know that happened, the shark feeding frenzy is well
documented.

Do we know for sure if that belly gunner -- gear up landing scene
really happened?

This is not an attempt to belittle any who have put themselves at risk
for the rest of us: the question I have is do we know with certainty
the gear up landing with a trapped belly gunner is reality based or is
it from a film?

On Jun 4, 5:03 pm, Tina wrote:

Do we know for sure if that belly gunner -- gear up landing scene
really happened?

This is not an attempt to belittle any who have put themselves at risk
for the rest of us: the question I have is do we know with certainty
the gear up landing with a trapped belly gunner is reality based or is
it from a film?

It happened more than once. The ball turret was operated by a
mechanism that would get shot out and so the gunner couldn't get the
ball back up into the fuselage to get out of it.

Dan

"gregvk" wrote in message
...

I didn't hear it from a film. I heard about it from some old guy who saw
one land that way. The craft's hydraulics got damaged and stopped
working,
which made it impossible to drop the landing gear or to rotate the ball
turret (it had to be properly positioned in order for the gunner to open
the little door and climb into the craft) so the gunner was stuck in there
and they had to belly land. I always thought the B-17 had a manual
override crank or something to rotate the ball turret by hand... But
maybe
they didn't all have those, or it was also damaged (or maybe I'm mistaken
about the existence of a manual override).


Hey Bertie, your forgot to change your name back!!!

:0)

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"gregvk" wrote in message
...

I didn't hear it from a film. I heard about it from some old guy who
saw one land that way. The craft's hydraulics got damaged and
stopped working,
which made it impossible to drop the landing gear or to rotate the
ball turret (it had to be properly positioned in order for the gunner
to open the little door and climb into the craft) so the gunner was
stuck in there and they had to belly land. I always thought the B-17
had a manual override crank or something to rotate the ball turret by
hand... But maybe
they didn't all have those, or it was also damaged (or maybe I'm
mistaken about the existence of a manual override).


Hey Bertie, your forgot to change your name back!!!

:0)






Did I? Do tell.


Bertie

gregvk wrote in
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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
:


"gregvk" wrote in message
...

I didn't hear it from a film. I heard about it from some old guy
who
saw one land that way. The craft's hydraulics got damaged and
stopped working,
which made it impossible to drop the landing gear or to rotate the
ball turret (it had to be properly positioned in order for the
gunner
to open the little door and climb into the craft) so the gunner was
stuck in there and they had to belly land. I always thought the B-
17
had a manual override crank or something to rotate the ball turret
by
hand... But maybe
they didn't all have those, or it was also damaged (or maybe I'm
mistaken about the existence of a manual override).


Hey Bertie, your forgot to change your name back!!!

:0)




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...So not only did he change his name, he also paid for a second
service
provider, teleported himself across several timezones to use it, then
teleported back to use his first provider and post as himself again
from
his original location.
LOL



Well, I'm ****ed now, he and his buds have tracked me down...




Bertie

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"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"gregvk" wrote in message
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I didn't hear it from a film. I heard about it from some old guy
who
saw one land that way. The craft's hydraulics got damaged and
stopped working,
which made it impossible to drop the landing gear or to rotate the
ball turret (it had to be properly positioned in order for the
gunner
to open the little door and climb into the craft) so the gunner
was
stuck in there and they had to belly land. I always thought the
B-
17
had a manual override crank or something to rotate the ball turret
by
hand... But maybe
they didn't all have those, or it was also damaged (or maybe I'm
mistaken about the existence of a manual override).


Hey Bertie, your forgot to change your name back!!!

:0)




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...So not only did he change his name, he also paid for a second
service
provider, teleported himself across several timezones to use it,
then
teleported back to use his first provider and post as himself again
from
his original location.
LOL



Well, I'm ****ed now, he and his buds have tracked me down...




Bertie

Wow, it only took you a minute that time. That's one hell of a
transporter you've got there.

I know. But its easy when you're almost everyone.

...Wait a ****in second. Why am I talking to myself?


Beats me, jeffrey.


Bertie