Bush 'Plans Iran Air Strike by August'

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:03:25 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 03:29:51 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
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Say what you like sport, I'm repeating what was broadcast on CNN.

cheers....Jeff


snippage of rant about news coverage

Listen fool, spout what you like, pictures tell a thousand words.

They were holding up a piece of concrete, supposedly reinforced. What the
builder had used for reinforcement was a joke.
Instead of rebar, it looked like he had used that very light steel-mesh
material (approx. 6"x6" square) that we use to support a concrete slab in
a
garage floor that is laid over 6" of compacted gravel.
Instead of using rebar, which you or I wouldn't be able to bend with our
bare hands, he used material a four year old could twist out of shape.
Don't tell me what I saw fool, I'll tell you.

cheers....Jeff


Look you twerp. When a US army squad in Iraq murders a family there

Listen "Who Flung Poo", we are talking about murderously criminal building
practices in _Communist China_!
Do try to keep on track.


Ergo when a single building disintegrates in a humongous earthquake
you can point fingers and sacrifice a few goats to satisfy public
outrage. When more than 300 schools disintegrated the same way you
are going to prosecute anyone and everyone who had a hand in building
those schools? You are certainly very naive in the ways things work.


Naive me?
Not at all, business as usual, corrupt as usual. it's the Communist Chinese
way.


I'll tell you one remarkable example how the Chinese system works.
When DXP came back to power the Cultural Revolution was still alive
until they arrested the Gang of Four. With the devastation that the
CR and the GLF (Great Leap Forward) and other Mao inspired disasters
there was a tremendous amount of damage to be made good. So DXP
decreed that there were far too many injustices and far too many
interconnected crimes ever to sort out. Getting China back on track
was of paramount importance. So there was to be no recriminationsw,
no boards of inquiries, no investigations into what had gone on
before. He (DXP) himself was treated very badly. His eldest son (a
physics undergrad then)was thrown from or had leapt from an upper
storey and crippled. The son was denied medical attention and is now
a quadripelgic. If DXP did not seek revenge no one else could and the
bad blood that would have flowed and poisoned everything never did.


Translation: thing's were so bad, corruption was so commonplace and
systemic, there would have no no hierarchy left.

So it will be with this earthquake. The first order of things is to
get back the countryside in order and the people housed and gainfully
employed. Before the end of the year is out the debris will have been
cleared and reconstruction begun. Premier Wen has declared that
within three years all the roads, bridges and infrastructures will be
repaired. They will be finished ahead of schedule. In that three
years will arise new cities, towns and residential areas as if they
seemed to have sprouted from the ground overnight.

All we'll see, are the thousands of grave markers, all bearing the same
date.
I sure hope they build them a lot better than they did last time.
I bet the people do too.


But
meantime screw your CNN attempts to paint a fumbling and dysfuntional
picture of Chinese people.

It must really *frost your ass* seeing the truth of your communist regime
being held up for the world's scrutiny.
The Chinese Communist's don't need help from anyone or anything, "to paint a
fumbling and dysfuntional
picture of Chinese people", for the world to observe. They manage perfectly
all by themselves.

If the Chinese people are really lucky, one day they will be able to watch
the likes of CNN and decide for themselves whether or not they find the
reporting to their taste.

That would of course entail a lot more freedom of choice, than is currently
allowed in your *pariah* nation.

cheers....Jeff

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

If the Chinese people are really lucky, one day they will be able to watch
the likes of CNN and decide for themselves whether or not they find the
reporting to their taste.


They watch CNN alright. Jack Cafferty found that out the last time he
made a slur and had to apologize. However, to really influence the
mass of oppressed Chinese CNN and other western media will have to
broadcast in Chinese. There's a 1.3 billion x 2 eyeballs there to
catch. Its a worthwhile investment to mess up their minds.

As for the rest of your rant if that's what you want to believe in
good luck to you. It makes an interesting world. Do keep chewing on
it when you eat your meals. Good for your ulcers.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

If the Chinese people are really lucky, one day they will be able to watch
the likes of CNN and decide for themselves whether or not they find the
reporting to their taste.


They watch CNN alright. Jack Cafferty found that out the last time he
made a slur and had to apologize. However, to really influence the
mass of oppressed Chinese CNN and other western media will have to
broadcast in Chinese. There's a 1.3 billion x 2 eyeballs there to
catch. Its a worthwhile investment to mess up their minds.

Looks like they're doing what they want.

And upsetting loads of people.

I see the BBC, in it's usual understated way, is running the Chinese
government shills back at them and making them look bad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7313998.stm

Oh dear, China is playing with the big boys now, and is about to find out
the very nasty truth:

"Big boy's game, big boy's rules"...

The liberal intellectual thugs who run the BBC are about to make mincemeat
of your beloved propaganda apparatus.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:27:29 +0100, "William Black"
wrote:

"Big boy's game, big boy's rules"...

Unfortunately for you the UK is no longer in the Big Boys League. It
is not that influential in EU circles even. India is not big league.
The US, because of its size, will always be in the top league. But
with their political and military establishments in disarray not an
effective one.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

If the Chinese people are really lucky, one day they will be able to watch
the likes of CNN and decide for themselves whether or not they find the
reporting to their taste.


They watch CNN alright. Jack Cafferty found that out the last time he
made a slur and had to apologize. However, to really influence the
mass of oppressed Chinese CNN and other western media will have to
broadcast in Chinese. There's a 1.3 billion x 2 eyeballs there to
catch. Its a worthwhile investment to mess up their minds.


I understand perfectly *WhoFlungDung*, freedom of the press is your greatest
fear.
It will eventually erode the communist's hold on the Chinese people.
It can't happen soon enough.

cheers....Jeff

On Jun 6, 11:24*pm, "Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote:
"PaPaPeng" wrote in message

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

If the Chinese people are really lucky, one day they will be able to watch
the likes of CNN and decide for themselves whether or not they find the
reporting to their taste.

They watch CNN alright. *Jack Cafferty found that out the last time he
made a slur and had to apologize. *However, to really influence the
mass of oppressed Chinese CNN and other western media will have to
broadcast in Chinese. *There's a 1.3 billion x 2 eyeballs there to
catch. *Its a worthwhile investment to mess up their minds.

I understand perfectly *WhoFlungDung*, freedom of the press is your greatest
fear.
It will eventually erode the communist's hold on the Chinese people.
It can't happen soon enough.

*cheers....Jeff

You are too ideological, as long as the Communists do a reasonable
good job, its hold on power, Chinese people, whatever, will be just
fine. You may not know that it's much more likely for a Chinese to be
pro-government and anti-West after he/she is exposed to freedom of
expression.

"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message
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On Jun 6, 11:24 pm, "Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote:
"PaPaPeng" wrote in message

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

If the Chinese people are really lucky, one day they will be able to
watch
the likes of CNN and decide for themselves whether or not they find the
reporting to their taste.

They watch CNN alright. Jack Cafferty found that out the last time he
made a slur and had to apologize. However, to really influence the
mass of oppressed Chinese CNN and other western media will have to
broadcast in Chinese. There's a 1.3 billion x 2 eyeballs there to
catch. Its a worthwhile investment to mess up their minds.

I understand perfectly *WhoFlungDung*, freedom of the press is your
greatest
fear.
It will eventually erode the communist's hold on the Chinese people.
It can't happen soon enough.

cheers....Jeff

You are too ideological,

Am I indeed ?

as long as the Communists do a reasonable
good job,

Collapsing schools send a horrible message to the masses.
Define *reasonable job*.

its hold on power, Chinese people, whatever, will be just fine.

Without *freedom* how would we ever know ?

You may not know that it's much more likely for a Chinese to be
pro-government and anti-West after he/she is exposed to freedom of
expression.

Quite possible and if you are so sure of the Chinese people's preference for
the one-party Communist system, then it should be relatively easy to
determine if democracy is more to their taste .

Should it not ?


cheers....Jeff

On Jun 7, 1:49*am, "Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote:
"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message


cheers....Jeff
You are too ideological,

Am I indeed ?

Yes, since you look at this problem solely through the perspective of
a westerner. You are talking about Chinese, billions of average zhangs
or wangs living and working in China their whole lives, not the kind
of Chinese you usually met in Canada or the US (even they don't tell
you what they really think, trust me)

as long as the Communists do a reasonable
good job,

Collapsing schools send a horrible message to the masses.
Define *reasonable job*.

Not really a big deal, again, don't just read news on New York Time.
Talk to Chinese, average Chinese. I personally feel jobs done by
propaganda department of Communist Party this time isn't as tacky as
before, still, it's way way way over the top. Nevertheless, if you
talk to real CHINESE, you will know Chinese government's response to
the earthquake won them big praise and greatly increased their
popularity.


its hold on power, Chinese people, whatever, will be just fine.

Without *freedom* how would we ever know ?

Well, you first need to learn to accept not all people think "freedom"
is the most important thing. Plus, as far as I know, most Chinese
believe they have ample freedom already. (personal freedom, not
political freedom to be sure, but most people simply don't give a damn
about which party is in power)


You may not know that it's much more likely for a Chinese to be
pro-government and anti-West after he/she is exposed to freedom of
expression.

Quite possible and if you are so sure of the Chinese people's preference for
the one-party Communist system, then it should be relatively easy to
determine if democracy is *more to their taste .

Should it not ?

*cheers....Jeff

They don't prefer Communist System, they just don't give a damn what
the system is as long as they make good money and they marry hot
girls. Is it that hard to understand?
Sure, if Democracy could give them more money and better lives, I'm
sure they will choose Democracy in a heartbeat. But beside Democracies
in Western Europe and North America (most of these countries because
rich and powerful when they weren't exactly the best example of
freedom and democracy), there aren't many success stories for
Democracy, on the other hand, there are plenty of screw-ups, right?
The much promoted (by US media at least, I don't know about what
Canadian media says)Indian economic miracle is seen as a joke by
Chinese, especially by those who have traveled to India. If you had
gone to the two countries, you would know comparing to an average
Chinese city, India's best and most beautiful city is a dirty dump.
If you want to promote democracy, at the very least, you should give
your audience a success story, Chinese people so far haven't seen a
success story.

BTW, there is also a "our *******" factor. In the mind of Chinese
people, Democracy may or may not be good, but the people who simply
can not shut up about how China should adopt democracy most definitely
have ulterior motives. Western Democracy preachers, if they really
want to promote Democracy in China, the best they could do is to shut
the hell up and just let Chinese history run its own course. They are
like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the more they talk, the more damage they
will do to their cause.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

Listen "Who Flung Poo", we are talking about murderously criminal building
practices in _Communist China_!
Do try to keep on track.


Aw quit your carping and dry your crocodile tears. Do something
useful. Go start a defense fund to help those poor Chinese parents
who lost their chil]dren. That will give you a concrete means (pun
intended) to get at those corrupt chicom school criminal contractors
you hate so much. With more than 300 schools destoryed you can hardly
miss finding one to get them corrupt commies on. Do it now and do it
quick and you may even have time to watch the show "Bush 'Plans Iran
Air Strike by August'" in case you don't know that is the track you
really should be on.

"PaPaPeng" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:52:04 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
wrote:

Listen "Who Flung Poo", we are talking about murderously criminal building
practices in _Communist China_!
Do try to keep on track.


Aw quit your carping and dry your crocodile tears. Do something
useful.

Gee *OneHungLow*, pointing out reality to you is carping?
Fascinating.
I am doing something useful.

cheers....Jeff