Venus Airships / by Brad Guth

On Jun 9, 4:50*am, BradGuth wrote:
On May 28, 10:22 am, wrote:

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I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
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Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?


I'd like you to explain how you make a rigid shell light enought.
Remember increased atmosphere density also implies increased pressure.

Cheers

"More_Flaps" wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 4:50 am, BradGuth wrote:
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What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?


I'd like you to explain how you make a rigid shell light enought.
Remember increased atmosphere density also implies increased pressure.

Whilst hating to appear to support anything the Guthbot posts
I feel it necessary to point out that this is a red herring. As
long as you equalise pressures inside and outside the envelope
there is no reason for the shell to be any heavier than for a
terrestial airship.

The boiling sulphuric acid rain storms are another matter however.

Keith

Keith Willshaw wrote:
Whilst hating to appear to support anything the Guthbot posts
I feel it necessary to point out that this is a red herring. As
long as you equalise pressures inside and outside the envelope
there is no reason for the shell to be any heavier than for a
terrestial airship.


Dittos... and the higher the atmospheric pressure, the greater the
difference of the density of the gas inside the envelope and outside of
it on said airship will work to generate increased lift, in much the
same way that fish swim bladders make up only a small part of their
overall volume, yet the huge difference in density between air and
seawater brings them to neutral buoyancy.
Anyway, you are now trying to argue logic with a certifiable paranoid
schizophrenic, which is inevitably a losing game.
This guy, not to put too fine of a point on it, is completely off of his
little Venusian rocker.
He needs a lithium chew-bar around the size of a brick. :-D
If I may paraphrase my father's words of wisdom: "Beauty is only skin
deep, but crazy goes right to the bone."
....and here's the ZMC-2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMC-2 not that
it's going to tolerate 800 F. or sulphuric acid rain at all well.

Pat

On Jun 8, 2:16 pm, More_Flaps wrote:
On Jun 9, 4:50 am, BradGuth wrote:



On May 28, 10:22 am, wrote:

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

I'd like you to explain how you make a rigid shell light enought.
Remember increased atmosphere density also implies increased pressure.

Cheers

Correct, even pressure plus full interior vacuum if you like.

Or, one could simply offset or displace the mostly CO2 with good old
reliable and failsafe H2.

How much pressure will a good sphere made of a tough composite take?

Remember that for robotics, conventional viewing ports or pilot/crew
escape hatches are not required, and there could be several of these
tough spheres per rigid airship.

The rigid airship quest and of the R&D give and take of this topic is
intended to argue exactly this kind of related technical issue. I do
not have all the answers that I honestly believe others do have at
their disposal. Go figure as to why such public funded expertise
isn't being touted or much less shared.

It seems to me that a given planet of terrific pressure and good
atmospheric density beats most anything moon like or Mars vacuum like,
especially nifty if that planet were at times only 100X as far away as
our moon.

These robotic composite rigid airships could be rather nicely remote
piloted from a manned station (aka POOF City) as safely and
efficiently kept within Venus L2.

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