Bertie 737 question

Just landed yesterday in a British Air 73. Unlike American jets, didn't feel
any thrust reverse, just some pretty hefty braking action. At least they
gave us a sandwich, unlike the American carriers.

I wonder if Anthony will be surprised when I stop by his place on Rue de
General in Paris? I have a lot of camera gear, so will be sure to post
photos.

Will do some sail plane flying in Provence later this week- it's a lot
different experience, much adverse yaw and lots of rudder required, and
what's with this flying without headsets?

JN


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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Big John wrote in
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Bertie

I flew four flightin the 737 over Memorial week.

Each landing started from a down wind and long stablized final VFR.

I did not detect any attitude change or thorttle change after turning
final.

I also DID NOT feel or see any flare and impact with ground was what I
would say was hard.

Is this normal in the 737, to set up an attitude and fly into the
ground without flaring?

Nothing broke on any of the landings and we walked awasy from each so
must have been good ladings like they say???

Well, the airpane doesn't pitch so much largely because the slats and
flaps
come out together, unlike airplanes with flaps only. If you fly smoothly
power changes should be minimal. We don't really flare in the same way you
would in most. just a quick tug at abou t15 feet to reduce the rate of
descent, but we're not supposed to grease it on for a few reasons. One,
float and wasted runway. two, it gets all the spoilers and othe squat
switch things going as well as the immediate availability of brakes.
three,
it breaks the surface tension of any water if it's a wet runway and four
it
gets the wheels spinning straight away. you can scuff tires badly in a
greaser..


Bertie

On Jun 11, 8:19 am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
Just landed yesterday in a British Air 73. Unlike American jets, didn't feel
any thrust reverse, just some pretty hefty braking action. At least they
gave us a sandwich, unlike the American carriers.

I wonder if Anthony will be surprised when I stop by his place on Rue de
General in Paris? I have a lot of camera gear, so will be sure to post
photos.

Will do some sail plane flying in Provence later this week- it's a lot
different experience, much adverse yaw and lots of rudder required, and
what's with this flying without headsets?

JN

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in 8.18...

Big John wrote in
:

Bertie

I flew four flightin the 737 over Memorial week.

Each landing started from a down wind and long stablized final VFR.

I did not detect any attitude change or thorttle change after turning
final.

I also DID NOT feel or see any flare and impact with ground was what I
would say was hard.

Is this normal in the 737, to set up an attitude and fly into the
ground without flaring?

Nothing broke on any of the landings and we walked awasy from each so
must have been good ladings like they say???

Well, the airpane doesn't pitch so much largely because the slats and
flaps
come out together, unlike airplanes with flaps only. If you fly smoothly
power changes should be minimal. We don't really flare in the same way you
would in most. just a quick tug at abou t15 feet to reduce the rate of
descent, but we're not supposed to grease it on for a few reasons. One,
float and wasted runway. two, it gets all the spoilers and othe squat
switch things going as well as the immediate availability of brakes.
three,
it breaks the surface tension of any water if it's a wet runway and four
it
gets the wheels spinning straight away. you can scuff tires badly in a
greaser..

Bertie

I think you're in a lot of trouble when a primary gauge is a piece of
yarn taped to the windscreen!

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:38:20 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote:


gets the wheels spinning straight away. you can scuff tires badly in a
greaser..

Bertie

I think you're in a lot of trouble when a primary gauge is a piece of
yarn taped to the windscreen!

standard is a twinings or tetleys tea bag string.

On Jun 11, 11:30 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:38:20 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote:

gets the wheels spinning straight away. you can scuff tires badly in a
greaser..

Bertie

I think you're in a lot of trouble when a primary gauge is a piece of
yarn taped to the windscreen!

standard is a twinings or tetleys tea bag string.

Viperdoc said he's flying in France! Are you telling me the French
would use an English tea bag? You have just destroyed my whole image
of French nationalism.

In Elmira NY where I took two glider flights the instructor had a real
sense of humor. He taped a piece of pink yarn on the window. (No, he
was not being sexist, just funny). I have that piece of yarn taped
into a scrap book now. For what it's worth the instructor claimed I
bruised his knees I was yanking the stick around so much. Can you say
'over controlling'?

The yarn actually did point straight back for a couple of minutes
during that flight, most often when it was on the way from one side to
the other.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote:


In Elmira NY where I took two glider flights the instructor had a real
sense of humor. He taped a piece of pink yarn on the window. (No, he
was not being sexist, just funny). I have that piece of yarn taped
into a scrap book now. For what it's worth the instructor claimed I
bruised his knees I was yanking the stick around so much. Can you say
'over controlling'?

The yarn actually did point straight back for a couple of minutes
during that flight, most often when it was on the way from one side to
the other.

you know those thighs of yours that I oggle at?
well next time you fly a glider rest your arm on your thigh to steady
your arm and your hand, and you'll fly a whole lot better.

On Jun 12, 9:49 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote:

In Elmira NY where I took two glider flights the instructor had a real
sense of humor. He taped a piece of pink yarn on the window. (No, he
was not being sexist, just funny). I have that piece of yarn taped
into a scrap book now. For what it's worth the instructor claimed I
bruised his knees I was yanking the stick around so much. Can you say
'over controlling'?

The yarn actually did point straight back for a couple of minutes
during that flight, most often when it was on the way from one side to
the other.

you know those thighs of yours that I oggle at?
well next time you fly a glider rest your arm on your thigh to steady
your arm and your hand, and you'll fly a whole lot better.

If you've been oggling, I had not noticed, so you really are
stealthy. Or a stalker (go stalk Mx, please).

Or both.

Keep your eyes on the string from the tea bag!

Tina wrote in news:6d8707f9-c374-44e7-b8c0-
:

On Jun 12, 9:49 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT), Tina
wrote:

In Elmira NY where I took two glider flights the instructor had a real
sense of humor. He taped a piece of pink yarn on the window. (No, he
was not being sexist, just funny). I have that piece of yarn taped
into a scrap book now. For what it's worth the instructor claimed I
bruised his knees I was yanking the stick around so much. Can you say
'over controlling'?

The yarn actually did point straight back for a couple of minutes
during that flight, most often when it was on the way from one side to
the other.

you know those thighs of yours that I oggle at?
well next time you fly a glider rest your arm on your thigh to steady
your arm and your hand, and you'll fly a whole lot better.

If you've been oggling, I had not noticed, so you really are
stealthy. Or a stalker (go stalk Mx, please).

Or both.

Keep your eyes on the string from the tea bag!


Oh dear. Good thing I'm a gentlebunyip.


Bertie

On Jun 12, 12:38 am, Tina wrote:

I think you're in a lot of trouble when a primary gauge is a piece of
yarn taped to the windscreen!

You can't knock an indicator with a 100% accuracy though

"Tina" wrote in message
...
I think you're in a lot of trouble when a primary gauge is a piece of
yarn taped to the windscreen!

I have seen yaw strings on military heavy iron, both fixed and rotary wing.
The main reason we don't use yaw strings on SEL is that pesky front-mounted
propeller kinda messes with the airflow around the windscreen. (Step on the
ball, step away from the string)

Vaughn

Viperdoc wrote:
Just landed yesterday in a British Air 73. Unlike American jets, didn't feel
any thrust reverse, just some pretty hefty braking action. At least they
gave us a sandwich, unlike the American carriers.

I wonder if Anthony will be surprised when I stop by his place on Rue de
General in Paris? I have a lot of camera gear, so will be sure to post
photos.

Will do some sail plane flying in Provence later this week- it's a lot
different experience, much adverse yaw and lots of rudder required, and
what's with this flying without headsets?

JN


Take one of his tours and don't tell him who you are till the end. And
if I don't see photos I will be very upset.