GIVEN CURRENT WARS, F-35s ARE BETTER CHOICE THAN MORE F-22As

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Now back to the original discussion; the fact that every MIG destroyed
in air-to-air combat (which was fairly lopsided), including the five
Soviet-made MiG-29 Fulcrums, were downed by F-15C's,

Weren't two taken down by F/A-18s?

Doesn't deny the need for capable aircraft, just don't get
platform-obsessed.

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The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its
warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done
by fools.
-Thucydides


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On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , Zombywoof
writes

Now back to the original discussion; the fact that every MIG destroyed
in air-to-air combat (which was fairly lopsided), including the five
Soviet-made MiG-29 Fulcrums, were downed by F-15C's,

Weren't two taken down by F/A-18s?

Doesn't deny the need for capable aircraft, just don't get
platform-obsessed.

I think you're right. And I also think that the Iraqis bagged at least
one US jet...didn't a MiG-25 get a kill on a Hornet?

And to make an aside on the Venezuelan threat scenario, I'm not
entirely confident that the F-15Cs would fight at a parity level with
Su-30s, especially with the latest Russian AAMs. The Eagle drivers
might just find themselves in a sticky situation.

Typhoon502 wrote:
On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , Zombywoof
writes

Now back to the original discussion; the fact that every MIG destroyed
in air-to-air combat (which was fairly lopsided), including the five
Soviet-made MiG-29 Fulcrums, were downed by F-15C's,
Weren't two taken down by F/A-18s?

Doesn't deny the need for capable aircraft, just don't get
platform-obsessed.

I think you're right. And I also think that the Iraqis bagged at least
one US jet...didn't a MiG-25 get a kill on a Hornet?

And to make an aside on the Venezuelan threat scenario, I'm not
entirely confident that the F-15Cs would fight at a parity level with
Su-30s, especially with the latest Russian AAMs. The Eagle drivers
might just find themselves in a sticky situation.

My point exactly. A simple comparison between the U.S.A.A.F. and Nazi
Luftwaffe in early 1945 shows that poorly trained pilots with good
equipment and motivation can still hurt the best air force in the world
albeit with limited effect.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan" wrote in message
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Typhoon502 wrote:
On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, "Paul J. Adam" wrote:
In message , Zombywoof
writes

Now back to the original discussion; the fact that every MIG destroyed
in air-to-air combat (which was fairly lopsided), including the five
Soviet-made MiG-29 Fulcrums, were downed by F-15C's,
Weren't two taken down by F/A-18s?

Doesn't deny the need for capable aircraft, just don't get
platform-obsessed.

I think you're right. And I also think that the Iraqis bagged at least
one US jet...didn't a MiG-25 get a kill on a Hornet?

And to make an aside on the Venezuelan threat scenario, I'm not
entirely confident that the F-15Cs would fight at a parity level with
Su-30s, especially with the latest Russian AAMs. The Eagle drivers
might just find themselves in a sticky situation.

My point exactly. A simple comparison between the U.S.A.A.F. and Nazi
Luftwaffe in early 1945 shows that poorly trained pilots with good
equipment and motivation can still hurt the best air force in the world
albeit with limited effect.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


in 1945 untrained nazies got slaughtered, the luftwaffe didn't come out to
play much anymore and our planes spent their time strafing grounded
fighters.


and venezuela would see its air force slaughtered too.
they don't have sophisticated AWACS needed and they don't and won't have the
numbers.

yeah chavez liked to buddy up with fidel, he makes crazy pronouncements and
he'd be out of business faster than saddam should he try anything with
anybody.

Typhoon502 wrote in news:4865a85c-f12a-4e51-8290-
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And to make an aside on the Venezuelan threat scenario, I'm not
entirely confident that the F-15Cs would fight at a parity level with
Su-30s, especially with the latest Russian AAMs. The Eagle drivers
might just find themselves in a sticky situation.

Assuming of course there were any SU-30s still operational
when the Eagles showed up.

IBM

On Jun 15, 2:42*am, Ian B MacLure wrote:
Typhoon502 wrote in news:4865a85c-f12a-4e51-8290-
:

* * * * [snip]

And to make an aside on the Venezuelan threat scenario, I'm not
entirely confident that the F-15Cs would fight at a parity level with
Su-30s, especially with the latest Russian AAMs. The Eagle drivers
might just find themselves in a sticky situation.

* * * * Assuming of course there were any SU-30s still operational
* * * * when the Eagles showed up.

I reference both the Korean and Vietnam wars where the supposedly
backwards two-bit dictatorships had Russian pilots and maintenance
crews flying top-line equipment for them. Do you think that Chavez
would absolutely refuse to have Russian "advisors" back his power play
if he could get them?