PHIL BOYER: 40% OF AOPA MEMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASING THEIR FLYING DUE TO FUEL PRICES

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:10:07 +0000 (UTC), Frank Stutzman
wrote in
:

China and India are markets for oil that really didn't matter all that much
10 years go. Now they are using a small but significant percentage of
world production. And at the moment it doesn't look that percentage is going
to get any smaller.

Below is a quote from comedian Bill Maher's HBO TV series Real Time
that aired March, 31, 2006:

So on this day, the 17th anniversary of the Exxon Valdez oil
spill, let us pause to consider how close we are to making
ourselves fossils from the fossil fuels we extract. In the next
twenty years, almost a billion Chinese people will be trading in
their bicycles for the automobile. Folks, we either get our ****
together on this quickly, or we're going to have to go to plan
'B': inventing a car that runs on Chinese people.

Larry Dighera wrote:

Below is a quote from comedian Bill Maher's HBO TV series Real Time
that aired March, 31, 2006:

So on this day, the 17th anniversary of the Exxon Valdez oil
spill, let us pause to consider how close we are to making
ourselves fossils from the fossil fuels we extract. In the next
twenty years, almost a billion Chinese people will be trading in
their bicycles for the automobile. Folks, we either get our ****
together on this quickly, or we're going to have to go to plan
'B': inventing a car that runs on Chinese people.

All you ever do is paste quotes from other sources... are even capable
of any original or creative thoughts of you own?

kontiki wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote:

Below is a quote from comedian Bill Maher's HBO TV series Real Time
that aired March, 31, 2006:

So on this day, the 17th anniversary of the Exxon Valdez oil
spill, let us pause to consider how close we are to making
ourselves fossils from the fossil fuels we extract. In the next
twenty years, almost a billion Chinese people will be trading in
their bicycles for the automobile. Folks, we either get our ****
together on this quickly, or we're going to have to go to plan
'B': inventing a car that runs on Chinese people.

All you ever do is paste quotes from other sources... are even capable
of any original or creative thoughts of you own?

Speaking of gratuitous insults, just how old are you anyway?

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:32:06 -0400, kontiki
wrote in :

Larry Dighera wrote:

Below is a quote from comedian Bill Maher's HBO TV series Real Time
that aired March, 31, 2006:

So on this day, the 17th anniversary of the Exxon Valdez oil
spill, let us pause to consider how close we are to making
ourselves fossils from the fossil fuels we extract. In the next
twenty years, almost a billion Chinese people will be trading in
their bicycles for the automobile. Folks, we either get our ****
together on this quickly, or we're going to have to go to plan
'B': inventing a car that runs on Chinese people.

All you ever do is paste quotes from other sources...

The sources whose content I cite generally have a reputation for
presenting a balanced view, and I use them to bolster my arguments (or
to quantify yours in this case) in discussion. Personal opinions are
cheap, but researched and verified information is powerful. However,
I wouldn't expect someone with limited vision and the cognitive
capacity of a Neanderthal to grasp the concept of credibility. :-)

are even capable of any original or creative thoughts of you own?

Occasionally, when the situation warrants it. Your example of
creative grammar above certainly is inspiring. :-)

Larry Dighera wrote:


Occasionally, when the situation warrants it. Your example of
creative grammar above certainly is inspiring. :-)


Well I admit to being a rapid typist and my fingers often don't keep
up with my thoughts and I don't take the time to go back and correct
minor typos. I realize that it provides someone a means to divert the
focus from criticism of their statements to my typing.

"However,
I wouldn't expect someone with limited vision and the cognitive
capacity of a Neanderthal to grasp the concept of credibility. :-)"

Larry, I thought you said you never resorted to personal attacks, or is it
just due to the fact that he disagrees with your limited and narrow point of
view?

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:26:49 -0500, "Viperdoc"
wrote in
:

"However,
I wouldn't expect someone with limited vision and the cognitive
capacity of a Neanderthal to grasp the concept of credibility. :-)"

Larry, I thought you said you never resorted to personal attacks, or is it
just due to the fact that he disagrees with your limited and narrow point of
view?


Well, I must admit that I'm flattered to have the attention of a full
USAF Colonel taking time out of his personal European holiday to
comment on my contribution to this newsgroup. However, with all due
respect, I doubt that I'd use an absolute word like 'never' in that
context. Perhaps you can provide the Message-ID number of my article
in which you believe you read that.

Further, with all due respect, his questioning of my competence to
create original prose was not due to any disagreement; my followup
Bill Maher quote actually bolstered his unsupported assertion, so we
agree that China's demand for petroleum will continue to increase over
time.

I'm curious as to why you characterize my view as "limited and
narrow." Are you able to quote my specific language that leads you to
that opinion?

And what is your view on the subject of US dependence on foreign oil,
Wall Street's speculative run up in fuel prices, and the future of our
nation if it continues its nearly exclusive reliance on petroleum for
our energy needs? Do you have an opinion on this issue? Or do you
prefer to sit back, and play Let's You And Him Fight?*

Here's a thought for the military to reduce their dependence on
petroleum:
http://www.powerfilmsolar.com/produc...ents/index.htm

I'll bet you're clever enough to have figured out how to get your
tanks filled on the base, so you are unaffected by the rapid increase
in fuel prices. But we are soon going to be impacted by the increased
cost of getting goods to market, and the price inflation it will
cause. Unless we turn away from petroleum for our energy needs, the
threat will only grow.



* http://www.ericberne.com/games/games...play_LYAHF.htm

Larry Dighera wrote:

But we are soon going to be impacted by the increased
cost of getting goods to market, and the price inflation it will
cause. Unless we turn away from petroleum for our energy needs, the
threat will only grow.

".. we are soon going to be impacted by increased cost..."? We already
are now Larry, where have you been the last few months. People have lost
their jobs, businesses have failed.... If you are reading this newsgroup
I would *assume* you now that general aviation is suffering badly. I
know you haven't noticed, but we already have changed the way we live
our lives in many ways. Obviously you are unaffected by all this and
hence can afford to be so narrow minded.

The simple fact is that we will always need petroleum in one form or
another for many more years, albeit not in the same percentage of GDP
that we have had in the past.

You, and others like you seem to think that the United States can simply
'cold turkey' our way out of needing *any* petroleum, that is naive.
Petroleum is used in everything from fertilizers to life saving medical
supplies, not just fuel. While we are (and have) reduced out use of it
considerably, it will an important part of our economy for many years
to come and unless we put in place the means by which we can reliably
obtain it quickly we impacting our national security way of life.

Too bad people like you can't grasp this concept or we wouldn't be
wasting time, bandwidth, jobs or wealth arguing about a problem instead
of actually solving it.

Larry Dighera wrote:

The sources whose content I cite generally have a reputation for
presenting a balanced view, and I use them to bolster my arguments (or
to quantify yours in this case) in discussion.


You often copy and paste without understanding the material or even reading
it. Sometimes you've posted material which proved your position to be
incorrect.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:38:18 -0500, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:

The sources whose content I cite generally have a reputation for
presenting a balanced view, and I use them to bolster my arguments (or
to quantify yours in this case) in discussion.


You often copy and paste without understanding the material or even reading
it. Sometimes you've posted material which proved your position to be
incorrect.


Given the volume of my posts, errors are inevitable. Your use of the
word 'often' is hyperbole, and from such a pedant too.



--

"We need an energy policy that encourages consumption"
--George W. Bush, Trenton, NJ Sept 2002.


"Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a
sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."
--Vice President Cheney