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Old June 23rd 08, 07:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jim Logajan
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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
wrote:
Automatic cars don't exist and there is little likelyhood the will
exist anytime in the near future.


Um, you may want to start doing a bit of catch-up reading before
making any further categorical statements like the above since you
appear to be making claims outside your realm of knowledge or
expertise. It appears you are probably unaware of current development
in this area. Autonomous vehicles are probably in the near future;
this is what DARPA's Grand Challenge was intended to accomplish:

http://www.darpa.mil/GRANDCHALLENGE/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darpa_grand_challenge


Those aren't for road use.


I'm at a loss as to how to respond to something so fundamentally at odds
with what has already been demonstrated (and prize money awarded). Or
perhaps you meant to suggest something else....

Remember what the D in DARPA stands for.


Um, it started out as ARPA in 1958, changed to DARPA in 1972, then back to
ARPA in 1993, then changed back to DARPA in 1996. This is the same agency
that funded the ARPANET project in 1968, which lead to today's global
spanning Internet.

So IMHO, your objection or argument doesn't seem to hold any real substance
that I can see.

I do not claim expertise in the technologies that the Grand Challenge
participants employ. But I have been following it practically since it was
first announced because a friend asked me back in 2002 to do a technical
review of a proposal to generate funding for non-profit organization whose
goal was to jump-start autonomous vehicle research project. Turns out he
was unaware of the DARPA GC program, which had just been announced that
same year.
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Old June 23rd 08, 08:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Gig 601Xl Builder
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Jim Logajan wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
wrote:
Automatic cars don't exist and there is little likelyhood the will
exist anytime in the near future.
Um, you may want to start doing a bit of catch-up reading before
making any further categorical statements like the above since you
appear to be making claims outside your realm of knowledge or
expertise. It appears you are probably unaware of current development
in this area. Autonomous vehicles are probably in the near future;
this is what DARPA's Grand Challenge was intended to accomplish:

http://www.darpa.mil/GRANDCHALLENGE/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darpa_grand_challenge

Those aren't for road use.


I'm at a loss as to how to respond to something so fundamentally at odds
with what has already been demonstrated (and prize money awarded). Or
perhaps you meant to suggest something else....



I didn't realize that the 2007 was done in a "Mock-Urbane Environment."
Did they have other cars on the road with real and automated drivers?



Remember what the D in DARPA stands for.


Um, it started out as ARPA in 1958, changed to DARPA in 1972, then back to
ARPA in 1993, then changed back to DARPA in 1996. This is the same agency
that funded the ARPANET project in 1968, which lead to today's global
spanning Internet.

So IMHO, your objection or argument doesn't seem to hold any real substance
that I can see.


There's really no objection at all. It's that the D stands for Defense.
And what ever they are spending they are spending to create things that
will enhance a combat or combat support mission. Not that there is
anything wrong with that.

If you get something that is usable in the non-military out of it great
but that isn't the aim of the program.


I do not claim expertise in the technologies that the Grand Challenge
participants employ. But I have been following it practically since it was
first announced because a friend asked me back in 2002 to do a technical
review of a proposal to generate funding for non-profit organization whose
goal was to jump-start autonomous vehicle research project. Turns out he
was unaware of the DARPA GC program, which had just been announced that
same year.

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Old June 23rd 08, 09:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Jim Logajan
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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.darpa.mil/GRANDCHALLENGE/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darpa_grand_challenge
Those aren't for road use.


I'm at a loss as to how to respond to something so fundamentally at
odds with what has already been demonstrated (and prize money
awarded). Or perhaps you meant to suggest something else....


I didn't realize that the 2007 was done in a "Mock-Urbane
Environment." Did they have other cars on the road with real and
automated drivers?


Yes. That is pointed out in the first paragraph of the darpa.mil link I
provided. Looks like I'd better quote the sentence he

"This event was truly groundbreaking as the first time autonomous
vehicles have interacted with both manned and unmanned vehicle traffic in
an urban environment."

And just to be clear, farther down in that page it states:

"Thirty manned traffic vehicles were also released onto the course to
increase traffic density. This fleet of Ford Tauruses were retrofitted
with safety cages, race seats, fire systems, radios and tracking systems,
and were driven by professional drivers. In all, over 50 vehicles, both
manned and unmanned, were navigating the city streets simultaneously
during the final event."

Quoting further:

"...six robots eventually crossed the finish line, an astounding feat for
the teams and proving to the world that autonomous urban driving could
become a reality.

This event was not just a timed race however – robots were also being
judged on their ability to follow California driving rules."

(Not bad progress only 5 years after the challenge was first announced!)

If you get something that is usable in the non-military out of it
great but that isn't the aim of the program.


I don't think you fully understand - the entrants are all self-funded
civilian groups who own any technology they develop - and they only
needed a single American member to qualify, so some were developed in
other countries. Check out the info provided on the teams. The only thing
DARPA is putting up is the prize money. The military motivation is
essentially not relevant once the technology has been proven.

Give it another couple decades or so and I think the next barriers to
seeing AVs on public roads wont be technological, but cultural and legal
barriers.

It is hard to see how these advances would not eventually have some
impact on aviation.
 




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