F-16 Encounters in MOA

Robert M. Gary writes:

ATC has freq for both VHF and UHF. The civilian pilots were in contact
with ATC, the F-16 pilot elected to not be in contact with ATC.

Maybe the Air Force should elect to retire that pilot.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Robert M. Gary writes:

ATC has freq for both VHF and UHF. The civilian pilots were in contact
with ATC, the F-16 pilot elected to not be in contact with ATC.

Maybe the Air Force should elect to retire that pilot.


You are a fukcing moron. Maybe the Air Force should use you for bombing
practice. That will both put you out of your misery and significantly
increse the total IQ of the human race.

Let's all remember that Anthony doesn't fly and never has. He has never
encountered the situation described, and certainly knows nothing about
flying procedures, let alone the military and their responsibilities.

If he were as smart as he thinks he is, he would be able to find a regular
job.

On Jul 12, 7:31*am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
Let's all remember that Anthony doesn't fly and never has. He has never
encountered the situation described, and certainly knows nothing about
flying procedures, let alone the military and their responsibilities.

If he were as smart as he thinks he is, he would be able to find a regular
job.

None the less, formation flying with someone not skilled in the
discipline is not a good idea. If such procedures in joint use
airspace are sanctioned by higher authorities in the air force their
judgment has to be questioned. If the USAF pilot did this on his own
his judgment is in question, isn't it?

Simply because the jet jock has the skills to do something like that
safely does NOT mean he has the right to do it.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jul 12, 7:31*am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
Let's all remember that Anthony doesn't fly and never has. He has never
encountered the situation described, and certainly knows nothing about
flying procedures, let alone the military and their responsibilities.

If he were as smart as he thinks he is, he would be able to find a regular
job.

None the less, formation flying with someone not skilled in the
discipline is not a good idea. If such procedures in joint use
airspace are sanctioned by higher authorities in the air force their
judgment has to be questioned. If the USAF pilot did this on his own
his judgment is in question, isn't it?

Simply because the jet jock has the skills to do something like that
safely does NOT mean he has the right to do it.

yeah but where is your sense of humour.

I recall the story of the mil formation popping out in a cloud break
to see a civil bonanza up ahead. the story is that they rolled
inverted and went past the guy, vanishing into the wall of cloud
ahead. (whereupon they rolled back upright)
in the moments following there was a string of expletives over the
radio from the bonanza pilot as, thinking he was disoriented, he
rolled inverted only to see all the floor dust rise past him to the
windscreen above.

if that is more than an urban legend there is opportunity for truely
funny flypasts :-)

Stealth Pilot

They did not fly formation with the civilian pilot- it is not the normal
intercept procedure, and the differences in airspeed make it difficult.

The usual intent is to get the other pilot's attention, while the wingman
provides support and maintains visual contact. The civilian pilot has an
equal responsibility to see and avoid, and probably should be even more
attentive in an active MOA.

On Jul 12, 10:12*am, "Viperdoc" wrote:
They did not fly formation with the civilian pilot- it is not the normal
intercept procedure, and the differences in airspeed make it difficult.

The usual intent is to get the other pilot's attention, while the wingman
provides support and maintains visual contact. The civilian pilot has an
equal responsibility to see and avoid, and probably should be even more
attentive in an active MOA.

I submit the difference in airspeed and detection equipment puts the
tin can at a substantial disadvantage. If it's as the thread suggests,
the jet jock was playing games he should not have been. Sometimes USAF
pilots display inappropriate airmanship: this seems to be such a case.
Even good guys make mistakes: excepte me.

The pilot may well have made a bad decision- however, it is highly unlikely
that they were flying in formation with the civilian plane. As far as I
know, both pilots have an equal responsibility for see and avoid.

Viperdoc wrote:

The pilot may well have made a bad decision- however, it is highly
unlikely that they were flying in formation with the civilian plane.
As far as I know, both pilots have an equal responsibility for see
and avoid.

Do you think the F-16 pilot met that responsibility?

Viperdoc wrote:
The pilot may well have made a bad decision- however, it is highly unlikely
that they were flying in formation with the civilian plane. As far as I
know, both pilots have an equal responsibility for see and avoid.




At first I thought this was all a case of a civilian pilot overreacting.
After listening to the audio and watching the radar video I've come to
the decsicion and has the USAF that the F-16 pilot screwed up.

To say a civilian pilot that is intercepted from the rear by a radar
carrying F-16 has the same see and avoid responsibility is absurd.
Though in this case the civilian did try to avoid (via TCAS) and F-16
wouldn't let it.