F-16 Encounters in MOA

Viperdoc wrote:
They did not fly formation with the civilian pilot- it is not the normal
intercept procedure, and the differences in airspeed make it difficult.

The usual intent is to get the other pilot's attention, while the wingman
provides support and maintains visual contact. The civilian pilot has an
equal responsibility to see and avoid, and probably should be even more
attentive in an active MOA.



I'm hardly a military basher but in this case the civilian pilot did try
to see an avoid and that is what caused the problem. He was listening to
his TCAS and doing what it said. The F16 pilot should have realized this
when the civilian started maneuvering and broken off the intercept.

It seems the USAF agrees with this and hence are spanking the F16 pilot
and changing training methods.

On Jul 14, 7:49*am, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote:

I'm hardly a military basher but in this case the civilian pilot did try
to see an avoid and that is what caused the problem. He was listening to
his TCAS and doing what it said. The F16 pilot should have realized this
when the civilian started maneuvering and broken off the intercept.

Yea, it would seem that the only see-and-avoid you can fault the
civilian pilot with is not having the capability to out perform the
F-16 as he tried to escape the collision alert.

-Robert

In article
,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

On Jul 14, 7:49*am, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote:

I'm hardly a military basher but in this case the civilian pilot did try
to see an avoid and that is what caused the problem. He was listening to
his TCAS and doing what it said. The F16 pilot should have realized this
when the civilian started maneuvering and broken off the intercept.

Yea, it would seem that the only see-and-avoid you can fault the
civilian pilot with is not having the capability to out perform the
F-16 as he tried to escape the collision alert.

I fail to see how a 90-degree clearing turn would not have brought the
threat into view and provided an escape to resolve the TCAS warning.

In article ,
Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:

I'm hardly a military basher but in this case the civilian pilot did try
to see an avoid and that is what caused the problem. He was listening to
his TCAS and doing what it said. The F16 pilot should have realized this
when the civilian started maneuvering and broken off the intercept.

It seems the USAF agrees with this and hence are spanking the F16 pilot
and changing training methods.

I would have thought the circa 1998 intercept of an airliner off the NJ coast,
with the resulting RAs and complaints, would have resulted in appropriate
training wrt airplanes with TCAS.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

Bob Noel writes:

I would have thought the circa 1998 intercept of an airliner off the NJ coast,
with the resulting RAs and complaints, would have resulted in appropriate
training wrt airplanes with TCAS.

I'm sure people pretended that things would change then, too.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Robert M. Gary writes:

ATC has freq for both VHF and UHF. The civilian pilots were in contact
with ATC, the F-16 pilot elected to not be in contact with ATC.

Maybe the Air Force should elect to retire that pilot.


And put him on a desktop sim?


Bertie

ATC has freq for both VHF and UHF. The civilian pilots were in contact
with ATC, the F-16 pilot elected to not be in contact with ATC.

Maybe the Air Force should elect to retire that pilot.


F-16 pilots are worth a hell of a lot more to national security, and
represent a much greater taxpayer investment, than the average
bugsmasher jokey.

-c

F-16 pilots are worth a hell of a lot more to national security, and
represent a much greater taxpayer investment, than the average bugsmasher
jokey.



The average ant has more value to society than Anthony, who is basically a
waste of resources.

gatt writes:

F-16 pilots are worth a hell of a lot more to national security, and
represent a much greater taxpayer investment, than the average
bugsmasher jokey.

The military serves civilians, not the other way around. If a F-16 pilot
cannot behave, it's time for him to retire.

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

gatt writes:

F-16 pilots are worth a hell of a lot more to national security, and
represent a much greater taxpayer investment, than the average
bugsmasher jokey.

The military serves civilians, not the other way around. If a F-16 pilot
cannot behave, it's time for him to retire.


~You are an idiot


Bertie