Cancelling IFR in Bravo airspace

Terence Wilson wrote:

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:15:04 -0700, Sam Spade
wrote:


You have no idea of what ATC needs to do with you if you cancel on an
IFR climnb to on-top. So, keep it simple, and stay with the IFR
clearance until either above or otherwise clear of the Class B airspace.


On the last two occasions ATC has queried whether I was on top yet and
then asked what my intention was, I cancelled, and continued on my
merry way inside Bravo.

So obviously they were ok with it, but my original question stands, am
I cleared into the class B after I canel in class B?

If my clearance limit for the IFR climb was inside Class B I would
reply, "I request a clearance to outside Class B before I cancel."

It's your butt that's on the line, not their's.

Or, just say "negative" when they ask if you're on top, thus forcing a
clearance out of the quagmire.

On 08/07/08 06:21, Sam Spade wrote:
Terence Wilson wrote:

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:15:04 -0700, Sam Spade
wrote:


You have no idea of what ATC needs to do with you if you cancel on an
IFR climnb to on-top. So, keep it simple, and stay with the IFR
clearance until either above or otherwise clear of the Class B airspace.


On the last two occasions ATC has queried whether I was on top yet and
then asked what my intention was, I cancelled, and continued on my
merry way inside Bravo.

So obviously they were ok with it, but my original question stands, am
I cleared into the class B after I canel in class B?

If my clearance limit for the IFR climb was inside Class B I would
reply, "I request a clearance to outside Class B before I cancel."

It's your butt that's on the line, not their's.

Or, just say "negative" when they ask if you're on top, thus forcing a
clearance out of the quagmire.

I'm confused about why you believe you have to lie about being on top.
When asked for your intentions, why not just say "Remain IFR until
clear of Class Bravo"?


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:
On 08/07/08 06:21, Sam Spade wrote:

Terence Wilson wrote:


On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:15:04 -0700, Sam Spade
wrote:



You have no idea of what ATC needs to do with you if you cancel on an
IFR climnb to on-top. So, keep it simple, and stay with the IFR
clearance until either above or otherwise clear of the Class B airspace.


On the last two occasions ATC has queried whether I was on top yet and
then asked what my intention was, I cancelled, and continued on my
merry way inside Bravo.

So obviously they were ok with it, but my original question stands, am
I cleared into the class B after I canel in class B?

If my clearance limit for the IFR climb was inside Class B I would
reply, "I request a clearance to outside Class B before I cancel."

It's your butt that's on the line, not their's.

Or, just say "negative" when they ask if you're on top, thus forcing a
clearance out of the quagmire.


I'm confused about why you believe you have to lie about being on top.
When asked for your intentions, why not just say "Remain IFR until
clear of Class Bravo"?


That would work, too.

In any case, my interptretation of when I am legally on top may differ
from your's. The typical kee-jerk response is to "please the
controller" and report on top when just breaking out in the clear.

Sam Spade wrote:

In any case, my interptretation of when I am legally on top may differ
from your's. The typical kee-jerk response is to "please the
controller" and report on top when just breaking out in the clear.


You're on top when you're in conditions suitable for VFR flight. You're not
on top when you break out into the sunshine, you have to be at least 1000
feet above that cloud.

On 08/07/08 09:29, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Sam Spade wrote:

In any case, my interptretation of when I am legally on top may differ
from your's. The typical kee-jerk response is to "please the
controller" and report on top when just breaking out in the clear.


You're on top when you're in conditions suitable for VFR flight. You're not
on top when you break out into the sunshine, you have to be at least 1000
feet above that cloud.



1000' above the cloud? As I understand the cloud clearance requirements,
in Class B airspace you just need to be clear of clouds (yes, this topic
is about flight within Class B airspace).


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:

1000' above the cloud? As I understand the cloud clearance
requirements, in Class B airspace you just need to be clear of clouds
(yes, this topic is about flight within Class B airspace).


Perhaps I lost track. Did he not say his clearance limit was outside Class
B airspace?

On 08/07/08 11:03, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:

1000' above the cloud? As I understand the cloud clearance
requirements, in Class B airspace you just need to be clear of clouds
(yes, this topic is about flight within Class B airspace).


Perhaps I lost track. Did he not say his clearance limit was outside Class
B airspace?




How is that relevant? His question was about canceling IFR while still
inside the Class B airspace, once he reaches VFR On Top conditions.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Sam Spade wrote:

In any case, my interptretation of when I am legally on top may differ
from your's. The typical kee-jerk response is to "please the
controller" and report on top when just breaking out in the clear.



You're on top when you're in conditions suitable for VFR flight. You're not
on top when you break out into the sunshine, you have to be at least 1000
feet above that cloud.


My point exactly.