Let's move on

How interesting that two of our most outspoken quitters for POA, are now
back with us but feeding a well known troll.

Geez, I wonder why????

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news5qqk.304155$yE1.90928@attbi_s21:

Agreed. Are there any other aircraft that you can steer on the
ground with
the yoke?

Just about every airplane use for primary instruction when taxied for
the first time by a new student (until the instructor shows them how
to use their feet :-))))

ROTFL! For sure...

But I honestly can't think of any other plane that have
yoke-ground-steering, can you, Dudley?

There were loads of them, all designed for fjukkwits.

Like you.






Bertie

On Aug 17, 11:10 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jay Honeck writes:
The Ercoupe is incredibly easy to fly -- it was designed by Fred Weick (the
guy who later designed the Cherokee) to be "Everyman's Plane", the plane
that anyone can fly with minimal training after they come back from WWII.

To achieve this he made it as automotive as possible, with the yoke working
as a steering wheel on the ground, and the rudder pedals eliminated
completely. (The rudders are interconnected with the ailerons, and work
remarkably well at keeping the ball centered.)

So why didn't it catch on? In _Stick and Rudder_ Wolfgang regularly sings its
praises, without actually naming it.

He actually does mention it a couple of times; it is what first gave
me the thought of getting one. I hate steering with my feet!

On Aug 17, 9:33 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Much of his design innovations have become standard in all planes (an
electric starter, all-metal construction, etc.) and were quite modern for
the time -- but much of them did NOT become standard, meaning that learning
to fly in an Ercoupe is pretty much a developmental dead-end. You'll never
know how to fly a plane with rudder pedals if you train in one that only has
a brake pedal on the floor!


That is what I thought at first as well, but then I got to thinking: I
learned to drive in an automatic, and later learned to drive a stick.
Also, many people learn to fly with fixed gear, and then later go on
to retractable (though as far as I know there is not that much
difference there besides remembering to lower the gear).

In any event, I do not have the guts to buy a plane right now; I am
notoriously cheap (which makes me a REAL genius for taking up flying).

Much of his design innovations have become standard in all planes (an
electric starter, all-metal construction, etc.) and were quite modern for
the time -- but much of them did NOT become standard, meaning that
learning
to fly in an Ercoupe is pretty much a developmental dead-end. You'll
never
know how to fly a plane with rudder pedals if you train in one that only
has
a brake pedal on the floor!


That is what I thought at first as well, but then I got to thinking: I
learned to drive in an automatic, and later learned to drive a stick.

True, but IMHO the choice of rudder pedals (versus none) are a bit more
important to an airplane than the choice of stick shift (versus none) is to
a car. Learning to use a primary flight control properly could one day be
the difference between life and death, whereas manual shifting versus an
automatic transmission is more of a personal performance choice.

On the other hand, if all you want to do is fly, and you have no intention
of buying up the performance ladder, who really cares if you know how to fly
anything beyond an Ercoupe? It's all about your personal choice, and if I
were at a different point in my life right now, I might be very happy to
only fly the Ercoupe.

In any event, I do not have the guts to buy a plane right now; I am
notoriously cheap (which makes me a REAL genius for taking up flying).

Well, "cheap" and "flying" don't usually go together -- but the Ercoupe is
about as economical as it gets. I figure I can fly the 'Coupe about four
hours for about the same cost as flying my Pathfinder (with its 6-cylinder
0-540) for one hour. That's a HUGE difference, and is why I've been flying
the 'Coupe almost every day after work.

Well, that, and it's just so damned fun to fly! There's nothing like
"driving around the sky" with your arm on the window-sill, like an old '48
Buick...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck writes:

On the other hand, if all you want to do is fly, and you have no intention
of buying up the performance ladder, who really cares if you know how to fly
anything beyond an Ercoupe? It's all about your personal choice, and if I
were at a different point in my life right now, I might be very happy to
only fly the Ercoupe.

Can you obtain a PPL without knowing how to use rudder pedals?

On Aug 19, 4:09*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jay Honeck writes:
On the other hand, if all you want to do is fly, and you have no intention
of buying up the performance ladder, who really cares if you know how to fly
anything beyond an Ercoupe? *It's all about your personal choice, and if I
were at a different point in my life right now, I might be very happy to
only fly the Ercoupe.

Can you obtain a PPL without knowing how to use rudder pedals?

I'd say yes but it's really bad idea for getting additional type
ratings efficiently. Can you imagine trying to land a tail dragger
without any experience of using a rudder? Lord knows I'm finding it
difficult enough and I have some part of my brain trained to use the
rudder already...

Cheers

Can you obtain a PPL without knowing how to use rudder pedals?

Certainly!

Pilots who learn in tricycle landing gear airplanes will occassional
push one pedal or the other, but they rarely learn to use them properly.

Pilots who learn to fly taildraggers, on the other hand, learn to
properly use the rudder pedals or suffer serious financial and bodily
consequences.

:-))

On Aug 19, 8:44 am, John Smith wrote:
Can you obtain a PPL without knowing how to use rudder pedals?

Certainly!

Pilots who learn in tricycle landing gear airplanes will occassional
push one pedal or the other, but they rarely learn to use them properly.

Pilots who learn to fly taildraggers, on the other hand, learn to
properly use the rudder pedals or suffer serious financial and bodily
consequences.
You're a little full of yourself, aren't you? With a little beta on
the prop I can parallel park my trike.

Your turn.

More_Flaps writes:

I'd say yes but it's really bad idea for getting additional type
ratings efficiently. Can you imagine trying to land a tail dragger
without any experience of using a rudder?

But taildraggers need a lot of specific training already, don't they?