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Um, even if it did I think I have enough sense not to base an entire 8
year presidency on that single act. I didn't really care that much when I
heard Gingrich cheated on and then dumped his hospitalized wife either,
other than the hypocrisy was interesting to note. So unlike some I apply
those standards equally.

Cheating on Hillary was never the offense. Using the power of his position
to gain sexual favors from an employee *was*. Having sex was never the
offense, despite how desperately the Left has tried to make it the salient
point of the discussion.

There was no perjury. Clinton was never convicted or even so much as
indicted for any such crime, or any other crime for that matter. If
you're not familiar with the facts of the situation, you should better
educate yourself before you comment.

Lying under oath is perjury.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:UWhsk.257146$TT4.104264@attbi_s22:

Um, even if it did I think I have enough sense not to base an entire
8 year presidency on that single act. I didn't really care that much
when I heard Gingrich cheated on and then dumped his hospitalized
wife either, other than the hypocrisy was interesting to note. So
unlike some I apply those standards equally.

Cheating on Hillary was never the offense. Using the power of his
position to gain sexual favors from an employee *was*.


Yeah? How did he do that, fjukktard?




Bertie

On Aug 24, 11:40 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Um, even if it did I think I have enough sense not to base an entire 8
year presidency on that single act. I didn't really care that much when I
heard Gingrich cheated on and then dumped his hospitalized wife either,
other than the hypocrisy was interesting to note. So unlike some I apply
those standards equally.

I don't like any of that type of behavior. BUT, was Gingrich being
investigated in a sexual harassment charge? And, did Gingrich lie to
a grand jury?
And, did Gingrich conduct his dalliance on the floor of the Senate,
which some consider something akin to hallowed ground?


There was no perjury. Clinton was never convicted or even so much as
indicted for any such crime, or any other crime for that matter. If
you're not familiar with the facts of the situation, you should better
educate yourself before you comment.

Impeachment, which did occur, is a pretty good indictment.

Lying under oath is perjury.

Yes, it is. Even if you get away with it. He did, and he did,
mostly.

He would have gotten away cleanly, if the blue dress had been
laundered.

From Wikipedia (not always accurate, but generally a good starting
point):
"Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December
19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a
grand jury (by a 228-206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a
221-212 vote). Two other articles of impeachment failed — a second
count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205-229 vote) and one
accusing Clinton of abuse of power (by a 148-285 vote). Four
Republicans opposed all four articles, while five Democrats voted for
at least one of them. Upon passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton became the
first elected U.S. president and the second U.S. president to be
impeached..."

As I recall, after the impeachment, the Senate didn't feel strongly
enough to remove him from office. Hence the 45-55 outcome.

He didn't get impeached for his dalliances. He got impeached because
the investigations that started from a (presumably valid) sexual
harassment lawsuit wouldn't end, because more and more witnesses came
forward against him, and he lied (and otherwise evaded the truth) to a
grand jury after taking an oath. He was later found in contempt of
court, paid a fine, was removed from the Arkansas bar and chose to
resign from that bar.

The aftermath? Preteens and early teens don't think oral sex is sex,
and more people than ever think it's okay to lie if you really want
to.

If a society is to remain free (and it's always a struggle), the truth
has to be respected. If you, or I, or the president lies under oath,
there should be a swift and sure punishment. We've gotten away from
this--we're not after truth, but we are running a stage play. This
was brought home to me when I pursued a civil case. The defendants
had absolutely no leg to stand on, but I settled out of court because
their lies, wholly fabricated, would have been somewhat difficult to
prove as lies. At that point, going to the judge, who knows nothing
but what he hears, becomes a crapshoot. I got a small part of what
was owed me.

There is no doubt that much of the prosecution was politically
motivated. However, had he been less of a liar and miscreant, such
prosecution wouldn't have had much traction.

Now, what does all this have to do with piloting???

Now, what does all this have to do with piloting???

Nothing. Hence, the "OT" (Off Topic) subject heading.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:ZMlsk.312575
$yE1.98360@attbi_s21:

Now, what does all this have to do with piloting???

Nothing. Hence, the "OT" (Off Topic) subject heading.

IOW just another way for you to spam.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in news:g8t12f$4r4$1
@blackhelicopter.databasix.com:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:ZMlsk.312575
$yE1.98360@attbi_s21:

Now, what does all this have to do with piloting???

Nothing. Hence, the "OT" (Off Topic) subject heading.

IOW just another way for you to spam.

Corsi is a kook.
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Nothing. Hence, the "OT" (Off Topic) subject heading.

IOW just another way for you to spam.

OMG! Is that a Bertie post accusing someone of spamming this group by
discussing politics!? ROTFLMAO!

That's the best laugh I've had in a long time. Although sadly it's not
about piloting, this is the best, least troll-polluted thread this group has
produced in a long, long time. It's actually made visiting this group
worthwhile, these last few days.

Dang, I may have to un-kill-file Bertie, if he's gonna be so funny...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:WKxsk.258222$TT4.86817@attbi_s22:

Nothing. Hence, the "OT" (Off Topic) subject heading.

IOW just another way for you to spam.

OMG! Is that a Bertie post accusing someone of spamming this group by
discussing politics!? ROTFLMAO!


Nope, i amm accusing you of spamming because you contiually advertise your
flea pit hotel in every poast you make, you fjukkkwit.


Bertie

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On Aug 24, 11:40 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Um, even if it did I think I have enough sense not to base an entire 8
year presidency on that single act. I didn't really care that much
when I
heard Gingrich cheated on and then dumped his hospitalized wife
either,
other than the hypocrisy was interesting to note. So unlike some I
apply
those standards equally.

I don't like any of that type of behavior. BUT, was Gingrich being
investigated in a sexual harassment charge?

You mean the one that was dismissed?

And, did Gingrich lie to
a grand jury?

Neither did Clinton.

And, did Gingrich conduct his dalliance on the floor of the Senate,
which some consider something akin to hallowed ground?

Clinton did what he did in his home at the time.

There was no perjury. Clinton was never convicted or even so much as
indicted for any such crime, or any other crime for that matter. If
you're not familiar with the facts of the situation, you should better
educate yourself before you comment.

Impeachment, which did occur, is a pretty good indictment.

Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal process. You might also
want to check the US Constitution sometime for the grounds required for such
an act and you might discover you have the cart before the horse.
Republicans couldn't win at the ballot box, so they went after Clinton with
politically motivated civil suits and politically motivated Special Counsel
investigations. When both of those failed they went after Clinton with a
partisan political process (and failed again).

There is no doubt that much of the prosecution was politically
motivated. However, had he been less of a liar and miscreant, such
prosecution wouldn't have had much traction.

So you justify one party subverting the civil legal process, the criminal
legal process, and the political process simply because Clinton got a hummer
and was less than forthcoming about it. Brilliant!

Now, what does all this have to do with piloting???

Check the OT on the subject line.

On Aug 24, 4:11 pm, "Mike" wrote:

And, did Gingrich conduct his dalliance on the floor of the Senate,
which some consider something akin to hallowed ground?

Clinton did what he did in his home at the time.

Well, not quite.
First, his supposed home was the White House, not the Oval Office,
which is not in the residence portion, and which is where the blue
dress incident occurred.

Second, though less concrete, is that it isn't "his" home. It is on
loan to him while he occupies the office. Living there is an honor,
not a license. I expect his behavior to be better. 'Course, I expect
a LOT of behavior to be better in D.C., and am frequently disappointed
by members of all parties.