Rumsfeld's on Bravery

Yama wrote:
Actually, Israeli certainly wouldn't have been (though they may have
detained him in some humiliating way). They know very well that
killing him would also kill any attempt for peace for a very long
time.


Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what the
Israelis do. As long as Israel exists, the Arabs will always try to destroy it.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:03:55 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:

Yama wrote:
Actually, Israeli certainly wouldn't have been (though they may have
detained him in some humiliating way). They know very well that
killing him would also kill any attempt for peace for a very long
time.


Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what the
Israelis do. As long as Israel exists, the Arabs will always try to destroy it.

And the Israelis will try to destroy the Palestinians. There are no "clean
hands" in that mess.

Al Minyard

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
...

And the Israelis will try to destroy the Palestinians. There are no "clean
hands" in that mess.


Maybe not, but one side's hands are significantly dirtier than the other
side's. The majority of Israelis are willing to live alongside a peaceful
Palestinian state, few Palestinians are willing to live in peace alongside
Israel.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
...

And the Israelis will try to destroy the Palestinians. There are no
"clean
hands" in that mess.


Maybe not, but one side's hands are significantly dirtier than the other
side's. The majority of Israelis are willing to live alongside a peaceful
Palestinian state, few Palestinians are willing to live in peace alongside
Israel.

I am not sure about the veracity of that. It would appear that a significant
number of Israelis have no real interest in seeing a Palestinian state under
any realistic conditions, hence the fact that they have their current PM in
office. My wife visited the area at the end of '98, before the situation
heated up to its current level of violence--she departed here pro-Israel,
and returned sympathetic to the Palestinians. A CSM I served with had a
similar revalation after his visit. Both sides have more than enough blame
at their doorstep and blood on their hands.

Brooks

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:45:13 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
.. .

And the Israelis will try to destroy the Palestinians. There are no "clean
hands" in that mess.


Maybe not, but one side's hands are significantly dirtier than the other
side's. The majority of Israelis are willing to live alongside a peaceful
Palestinian state, few Palestinians are willing to live in peace alongside
Israel.

And you know this how?? From Israeli polls? I am not saying that you are
incorrect, I am simply saying that I, and I believe you, do not really know.

Al Minyard

"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
...

And you know this how?? From Israeli polls? I am not saying that you are
incorrect, I am simply saying that I, and I believe you, do not really
know.


I base it on adherence to the Camp David Accords by Egypt and Israel. There
has been peace between Egypt and Israel since Egyptians decided to live in
peace alongside Israel. When Palestinians decide they can live in peace
alongside Israel there will be a peaceful Palestine alongside Israel.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"Alan Minyard" wrote

And you know this how?? From Israeli polls? I am not saying that you are
incorrect, I am simply saying that I, and I believe you, do not really
know.


I base it on adherence to the Camp David Accords by Egypt and Israel. There
has been peace between Egypt and Israel since Egyptians decided to live in
peace alongside Israel. When Palestinians decide they can live in peace
alongside Israel there will be a peaceful Palestine alongside Israel.

Actually they don't. U.S. Forces are deployed in the Sinai between the two.
A few years ago they all got killed in a plane crash in Newfoundland on a
cheap two-bit airline because MAC didn't have enough crews to support
the worldwide deployments.

"Gene Storey" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
"Alan Minyard" wrote

And you know this how?? From Israeli polls? I am not saying that you
are
incorrect, I am simply saying that I, and I believe you, do not really
know.


I base it on adherence to the Camp David Accords by Egypt and Israel.
There
has been peace between Egypt and Israel since Egyptians decided to live
in
peace alongside Israel. When Palestinians decide they can live in peace
alongside Israel there will be a peaceful Palestine alongside Israel.

Actually they don't. U.S. Forces are deployed in the Sinai between the
two.
A few years ago they all got killed in a plane crash in Newfoundland on a
cheap two-bit airline because MAC didn't have enough crews to support
the worldwide deployments.

No, they (and it was not "all of them"--the MNF-Sinai is a battalion sized
force, and you are not fitting a battalion on a single DC-8) died in the
crash of that charter DC-8 at Gander because that is the way we routinely
move large numbers of troops--the AMC cargo haulers are better utilized
carrying the heavy boxes and rolling stock. And what's more, had you asked
any of those troops who unfortunately were onboard that aircraft which they
would prefer to make a trans-Atlantic redeployment on, a charter airliner or
a C-141, I guarandamntee you it would have been the former. Having done a
few long range deployments by both methods of conveyance, I'd have agreed
with them.

Brooks

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:30:35 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
.. .

And you know this how?? From Israeli polls? I am not saying that you are
incorrect, I am simply saying that I, and I believe you, do not really
know.


I base it on adherence to the Camp David Accords by Egypt and Israel. There
has been peace between Egypt and Israel since Egyptians decided to live in
peace alongside Israel. When Palestinians decide they can live in peace
alongside Israel there will be a peaceful Palestine alongside Israel.

Dream on, Israel has violated every accord signed with the Palestinians
(which is not to say that the Palestinians have not). Illegal Israeli
settlements are routinely encouraged by the GOI.

Al Minyard

But to suggest that both sides are equally to blame does Israel an
injustice.

Jarg


"Alan Minyard" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:03:55 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote:

Yama wrote:
Actually, Israeli certainly wouldn't have been (though they may have
detained him in some humiliating way). They know very well that
killing him would also kill any attempt for peace for a very long
time.


Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what
the
Israelis do. As long as Israel exists, the Arabs will always try to
destroy it.

And the Israelis will try to destroy the Palestinians. There are no "clean
hands" in that mess.

Al Minyard