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I JUST GIVE UP ON THEM IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON AND DON'T WASTE MY TIME
DOWNLOADING THEM
**** THE DICKHEADS AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED
THIS CRAP HAS BEEN RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES AND ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY SO STOP
WASTING TIME AND ENERGY TO **** AND MOAN ABOUT IT.
****EM AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED!!!!1



"JRW" wrote in message
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michael hoare wrote:
I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to see the point
of encrypting entries so that they cant be viewed without downloading
some other crap to view them ....whats the purpose of it ..what purpose
does it serve besides ****ing off those who cant view the pics i really
dont see the point of it all
Mick H
Mike,

Their loss that you don't view them. I have the means to see all of them.
But I fully agree with you that they should consider others when posting.
Lots of folks are still on dial-up....money the economy or whatever. These
are the folks I feel for.
Some folks are not internet savvy and that's okay, but you and others have
made it to the newsgroups and I think that's great.
There is absolutely NO need for folks to invest in software or newsgroup
providers if their ISP carries newsgroups. I do however have XNEWS and
that's great for viewing and it's free.
I think the biggest gripe is that the power posters don't even include an
index. If they did then you could choose the photos that you wanted to
download.
Indexes are easy to make......it just boils down to lazyness. It's sad
that the time and effort that folks take to post the stuff and more than
half will not view them. Sad!
Now I'm sure that someone will come along and say tough. But that just
shows how selfish the person is. I know one that will bite on this post in
a milliesecond...lol

JRW

Sj wrote:
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:50:59 GMT, "michael hoare"
wrote:


I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to see the point of
encrypting entries so that they cant be viewed without downloading some
other crap to view them ....whats the purpose of it ..what purpose does it
serve besides ****ing off those who cant view the pics i really dont see
the point of it all
Mick H


I just posted the following in another ng where
the same conversation is taking place ...

-------------

When I started running into yEnc & found that my
old version of Agent didn't handle it, I upgraded,
as I knew I was missing a lot ... found it valuable
for warez, mp3's, & DVD's ...

Don't d/l that stuff anymore, except for the very
occasional sampling of a song but know yEnc isn't
going to go away, so decided I was only depriving
myself if I chose to ignore it ... if you follow a.b.amp,
you have to deal w/ it ... don't think it makes that
much difference in the posting of jpg's the way
I do & don't want the hassle of those who
don't/won't/can't deal w/ it, so don't post that way ...

I just wish people would yell at MS, rather than the
posters

The same happened years ago when I used Free
Agent & couldn't see anything posted in MIME ... I
upgraded to Agent & then could see both Uuencode
& mime ...

Found a mess of cgm files posted recently ... had to
go Google to see what I could use to open them ...

Found I had a nice old version of PSP already
installed which handles them nicely ...

Same when mp3's started showing up ... & all
the other formats which show for the first time ...

Don't have Word or Power Point installed but did
find viewers for the occasional files I see in those
formats ...

If people decide NOT to get a program to help
visualize or hear what's being posted, that's their
prerogative ...

But please don't yell at the posters ...

That might stifle progress

Sj

SJ,

Outlook and Thunderbird would have incorporated it if they felt it was
necessary for the most users.
However, look at how few folks use newsgroups. That's the
key....profitable to incorporate...no

I downloaded XNEWS. I use it mainly in other groups where the posters
don't feel so high and mighty. It works fine.
But in this group many folks have requested no floods and please post in
jpg. DUH!!!!

But they will continue to do their thing...good luck to them, they'll
have the "few"die hards, that are clueless to others around them..
Selfish gits!!!

Would I use it here on the flooders...absolutely not.

JRW wrote:

Flooding, well okay, *but at least provide indexes*. Then at least you
can choose what you want to see.

Why flood images that are not your own the floods are of images redaly
availible on the USAF/ NASA and USN sites.

Frankly I, along with others don't even look. The few loud mouths that
do THINK they speak for the rest of us, look...lol
You would think, after all the DON'T DO IT posts they'd get a clue.
No, it's pure to disrupt and gain attention. Nothing else. They do it
because they can, and don't give a flying whazzo if anyone looks at
their posts.
That is why they are never original work


They post on topic, but don't give a **** about the most of the folks
that would view them.

Because you can see them on the originating sites.

I agree a few dozen a day is best.
No one is "waiting" for these.

Why wait when you can visit the original sites


A few posts like you said per day would
be great.
You'll never change their spots....killfile is the best. Damn shame!

Not a shame to killfile if the work were their own like Glen/Dale and
others then it might be a shame but your right it is a I dont give a
rats ass attitude toward others that has all but started to ruin this group.

So flood away and post in YENC no use complaining you just need to go to
the NASA site and you will find most if not all the photos that have
been posted. You might also want to visit the USAF site for the high rez
shots there.

Let them flood and post just killfile them and trust me you are not
missing anything.

yEnc is an encoding scheme, not a graphics format. It can be used
to post any type of binary. It's primary advantage is a reduction
in the as-posted size of a file by some 39% over the more common
Uuencode. It seems that the most often cited reason for universal
hatred of yEnc is that Outhouse Depressed doesn't support it, a
rather weak argument at best.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet


Speaking of weak arguements - I have seen examples of the same post in jpg
and ynec formats and the 39% doesn't hold water. Maybe 3.9%, but no where
near 39%.

Oviedo added these comments in the current discussion du jour
....

Speaking of weak arguements - I have seen examples of the same
post in jpg and ynec formats and the 39% doesn't hold water.
Maybe 3.9%, but no where near 39%.

You are entirely wrong. The spec for yEnc itself quotes the number,
I didn't, but since you're obviously so ignorant, try posting the
exact same JPEG with Uuencode and with yEnc and see for yourself.
The actual size of the binary doesn't change, of course, but almost
all of the Uue overhead is eliminated by yEnc resulting in a much
smaller as-posted size. Were it not for this fact, why would it
have been invented and why would so many people, all far more
knowledgeable then you, quote the same reduction?

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

Martin Helms added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

This is exactly the same I am using, however, the problem with
the most recent YEnc posts lies within you last sentence, "so
long as the yEnc is written into the subject heading".
Unfortunately, the person posting it (oh so wiesly chosing
yEnc as a handle) ignored this most important rule about yEnc.

It is imparative the term is to be included in the subject
line so that either we can read the posts or others, who
simply do not wish to read yEn posts at all (for w/e reason)
can properly filter them.

Properly written apps will either automatically add "yEnc" to the
subject line or require the poster to add it.

Some folks really seem to be lacking certain manners... :/

What does using yEnc have to do with manners? This is much to do
about nothing and the entire debate is because the Luddites who
insist on using Outhouse Depressed instead of a real news reader
can't decode yEnc.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

JRW added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

michael hoare wrote:
I dont care if its been said a thousand times i fail to
see the point of encrypting entries so that they cant be
viewed without downloading some other crap to view them
....whats the purpose of it ..what purpose does it serve
besides ****ing off those who cant view the pics i really
dont see the point of it all Mick H
Mike,

Their loss that you don't view them. I have the means to see
all of them. But I fully agree with you that they should
consider others when posting. Lots of folks are still on
dial-up....money the economy or whatever. These are the folks
I feel for. Some folks are not internet savvy and that's okay,
but you and others have made it to the newsgroups and I think
that's great. There is absolutely NO need for folks to invest
in software or newsgroup providers if their ISP carries
newsgroups. I do however have XNEWS and that's great for
viewing and it's free. I think the biggest gripe is that the
power posters don't even include an index. If they did then
you could choose the photos that you wanted to download.
Indexes are easy to make......it just boils down to lazyness.
It's sad that the time and effort that folks take to post the
stuff and more than half will not view them. Sad!
Now I'm sure that someone will come along and say tough. But
that just shows how selfish the person is. I know one that
will bite on this post in a milliesecond...lol

JRW, I suppose killfiling or filtering is an effective way to rid
oneself from yEnc and/or flooding, but whether the posts/day from
any given OP is a couple, a dozen or so, a few hundred, or
thousands, nobody is forced to look at them. Yes, it takes some
time to download the headers for things some presumeably don't
want but I think the number of dial-up users today vs. cable
broadband or DSL is small enough that large numbers of headers
shouldn't be a problem. And, in NGs that are very
active/prolific, especially those posting large attachments, yEnc
actually helps everyone but particularly the dial-up folk because
of it's very large reduction in as-posted size.

Personally, I post in Uuencode but I am not at all averse to
yEnc, largely because Xnews decodes both with ease and I'm not
even really aware of the encoding scheme except that it does say
"yEnc".

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

JRW added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

Flooding, well okay, *but at least provide indexes*. Then at
least you can choose what you want to see.
Frankly I, along with others don't even look. The few loud
mouths that do THINK they speak for the rest of us, look...lol
You would think, after all the DON'T DO IT posts they'd get a
clue. No, it's pure to disrupt and gain attention. Nothing
else. They do it because they can, and don't give a flying
whazzo if anyone looks at their posts.
They post on topic, but don't give a **** about the most of
the folks that would view them.
I agree a few dozen a day is best.
No one is "waiting" for these. A few posts like you said per
day would be great.
You'll never change their spots....killfile is the best. Damn
shame!

What do you consider the threshold of flooding? No one is forced to
open every post or any at all so what's the big fuss? If this NG
has a collective strong feeling about on-topic posts, max
posts/day, and encoding scheme(s), perhaps an enforceable FAQ
should be adopted to guide people.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet

"SKUNK WORKS" schreef in bericht
...
I JUST GIVE UP ON THEM IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON AND DON'T WASTE MY TIME
DOWNLOADING THEM
**** THE DICKHEADS AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED
THIS CRAP HAS BEEN RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES AND ISN'T GOING TO GO AWAY SO
STOP WASTING TIME AND ENERGY TO **** AND MOAN ABOUT IT.
****EM AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED!!!!1


I don't much care what you think, but stop SHOUTING !
Ever heard of Netiquette?

Herman

"Oviedo" schreef in bericht
...
yEnc is an encoding scheme, not a graphics format. It can be used
to post any type of binary. It's primary advantage is a reduction
in the as-posted size of a file by some 39% over the more common
Uuencode. It seems that the most often cited reason for universal
hatred of yEnc is that Outhouse Depressed doesn't support it, a
rather weak argument at best.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Don't be a fop or a blooter, make only pithy comments on Usenet


Speaking of weak arguements - I have seen examples of the same post in jpg
and ynec formats and the 39% doesn't hold water. Maybe 3.9%, but no where
near 39%.

And besides: With todays connections (whispers: broadband), who needs these
stupid compression programs?
Just post your pictures as is, of course after getting a decent provider who
will offer you a broadband connection. To all you yEnc fans: wake up to the
21st century. You don't have to use dial-up connections anymore. I have
broadband. Next month I will be connected to a glass-fibre network that is
being installed in the whole town I live in, so my connection speed will be
even higher. Stop farting around with your stupid encoding end get a useful
provider.

Regards,
Herman