Airplanes and Brakes?

On Sep 15, 2:44*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?

Haha - I have to admit that I didn't give it much consideration when I
was a renter. Coupled with the fact the flight school was near the
approach end of the usual runway I likely abused them to make the
early turnoff.

Funny how buying a plane and having to pay for them yourself changes
your perspective on things - now I try not to use them at all if I can
help it. Although, I would challenge you to taxi to my hangar without
using brakes - taxiway E at AGC goes down a pretty substantial hill so
I don't see that I have much choice.

Also, once when flying with an instructor and landing somewhere with a
shorter runway, I rolled down to the end with the yoke full back but
still had to brake a bit to make the last turnoff. The instructor
pointed out it's probably a good idea to find out if your brakes work
sometime before you roll down the embankment at the end... So now I
make it a point to at least give them a tap while I still have time to
do something about it if they don't work.

On Sep 15, 4:12*pm, tjd wrote:
On Sep 15, 2:44*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?

Haha - I have to admit that I didn't give it much consideration when I
was a renter. *Coupled with the fact the flight school was near the
approach end of the usual runway I likely abused them to make the
early turnoff.

Funny how buying a plane and having to pay for them yourself changes
your perspective on things - now I try not to use them at all if I can
help it. *Although, I would challenge you to taxi to my hangar without
using brakes - taxiway E at AGC goes down a pretty substantial hill so
I don't see that I have much choice.

Also, once when flying with an instructor and landing somewhere with a
shorter runway, I rolled down to the end with the yoke full back but
still had to brake a bit to make the last turnoff. *The instructor
pointed out it's probably a good idea to find out if your brakes work
sometime before you roll down the embankment at the end... *So now I
make it a point to at least give them a tap while I still have time to
do something about it if they don't work.


That sounds much like the situation here with a downslope of 40' in
5000 and a nasty ravine at the end. I teach my students to check
brakes as they reach the aiming blocks and if the pressure is gone or
going away to make a decision well before they end up going off the
end and saying "Oh Sh*&" Sorry Dudley, I couldn't resistGG

On Sep 16, 8:13*am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:12*pm, tjd wrote:



On Sep 15, 2:44*pm, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:

How about you? If you had to pay for the brakes, tires, and
maintenance, would YOU beat up the airplane?

Haha - I have to admit that I didn't give it much consideration when I
was a renter. *Coupled with the fact the flight school was near the
approach end of the usual runway I likely abused them to make the
early turnoff.

Funny how buying a plane and having to pay for them yourself changes
your perspective on things - now I try not to use them at all if I can
help it. *Although, I would challenge you to taxi to my hangar without
using brakes - taxiway E at AGC goes down a pretty substantial hill so
I don't see that I have much choice.

Also, once when flying with an instructor and landing somewhere with a
shorter runway, I rolled down to the end with the yoke full back but
still had to brake a bit to make the last turnoff. *The instructor
pointed out it's probably a good idea to find out if your brakes work
sometime before you roll down the embankment at the end... *So now I
make it a point to at least give them a tap while I still have time to
do something about it if they don't work.

That sounds much like the situation here with a downslope of 40' in
5000 and a nasty ravine at the end. I teach my students to check
brakes as they reach the aiming blocks and if the pressure is gone or
going away to make a decision well before they end up going off the
end and saying "Oh Sh*&" Sorry Dudley, I couldn't resistGG

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

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Nonsense, you're talking out of both sides of you're mouth as usual.

No surprise.

On Sep 16, 10:09*am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

news:53aa3f73-4961-4564-8c51-

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

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Nonsense, you're talking out of both sides of you're mouth as usual.

No surprise.

You really "work" on this little hate thing day and night don't you
Maxie? :-)))

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 10:09 am, "Mick" @_#`~#@.^net wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

news:53aa3f73-4961-4564-8c51-

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

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Nonsense, you're talking out of both sides of you're mouth as usual.

No surprise.

You really "work" on this little hate thing day and night don't you
Maxie? :-)))

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I don't hate anyone.

I just like to acknowledge your own special flavor of ignorance, you do it
so well.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Sep 16, 8:13 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:12 pm, tjd wrote:
That sounds much like the situation here with a downslope of 40' in
5000 and a nasty ravine at the end. I teach my students to check
brakes as they reach the aiming blocks and if the pressure is gone or
going away to make a decision well before they end up going off the
end and saying "Oh Sh*&" Sorry Dudley, I couldn't resistGG

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

Whereas that should be sufficient to keep the brakes free from rust, and has
obvious additional safety benefits, I plan to "make it mine" when I resume
flying.

Peter

On Sep 16, 8:22*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

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On Sep 16, 8:13 am, "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote:
On Sep 15, 4:12 pm, tjd wrote:
That sounds much like the situation here with a downslope of 40' in
5000 and a nasty ravine at the end. I teach my students to check
brakes as they reach the aiming blocks and if the pressure is gone or
going away to make a decision well before they end up going off the
end and saying "Oh Sh*&" Sorry Dudley, I couldn't resistGG

No problem. I consider the testing of an airplane's brakes after
touchdown as a whole issue unto itself. In discussing the use of
brakes with a student, I'd separate this little "gotcha" from any
discussion centered on whether or not to use brakes on landing.
Other than what should be this automatic "check" that brakes are
available, I would stress that brakes only be used when necessary and
as previously stated. :-))

Whereas that should be sufficient to keep the brakes free from rust, and has
obvious additional safety benefits, I plan to "make it mine" when I resume
flying.

Peter

It's a good practice Pete. Just a touch is all that's required. The
trick is that this is usually done during the initial (faster) part of
the roll out after touchdown so you want to be extra careful not to
"punch" the nosewheel down hard on the strut or in the case of a
tailwheel airplane, not to push the nose down and catch a prop tip.
This is especially an issue for tail wheels on short grass uneven
strips where there might be a tendency to "test the brakes" just a bit
too aggressively :-))