Suppose I wanted to fly to Angola...

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
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| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
| and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
| as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
| Bertie- Hide quoted text -
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| I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be available.
| For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a Citation
| III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if price
| was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
|
| I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine
| on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| route.
|
|
| You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with difficulties
| and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying in
| that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| something that could do it in two hops..
|
| Bertie
|

It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
| :
|
| On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
|
|
|
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from
Atlanta
| and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially.
This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation
I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask
here
| as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg
would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
| Bertie- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be
available.
| For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a
Citation
| III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if
price
| was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
|
| I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then
determine
| on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| route.
|
|
| You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with
difficulties
| and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying
in
| that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| something that could do it in two hops..
|
| Bertie
|

It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.





Uh yeh.

Flown to africa?

No?


I have..


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
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| |
| | On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| | es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| | :
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| | needs
| | to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from
| Atlanta
| | and
| | complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially.
| This
| | made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| | jet.
| | I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation
| I)
| | and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| | range."
| | He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| | solo
| | but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| | flown
| | to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask
| here
| | as
| | someone might actually know.
| |
| | I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| | speed-
| | time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg
| would
| | have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| | stopping
| | to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| | certainly
| | not enough to plan a trip.
| |
| | I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| | curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
| |
| | not sure what you're asking here.
| |
| | What kind of bizjet can do it?
| | Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
| |
| | Bertie- Hide quoted text -
| |
| | - Show quoted text -
| |
| | I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be
| available.
| | For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a
| Citation
| | III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| | cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if
| price
| | was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| | would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| | Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
| |
| | I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| | could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then
| determine
| | on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| | route.
| |
| |
| | You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| | get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| | london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with
| difficulties
| | and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying
| in
| | that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| | Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| | something that could do it in two hops..
| |
| | Bertie
| |
|
| It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.
|
|
|
|
|
| Uh yeh.
|
| Flown to africa?
|
| No?
|
|
| I have..
|
|
| Bertie