Crab, slips, and crossed controls

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in message
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| "Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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| | "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| aerodynamically
| | identical have different references.
| |
| | This is one of those aeronautical "discussions" that can go on
forever
| | without a clear winner or loser, unless you can agree on who's
| definition
| you
| | wish to accept. For very basic piloting questions like this, I
| | keep
an
| old copy
| | of "Stick and Rudder" on the shelf. I found it interesting that
| Wolfgang
| | apparently found no need to make a distinction; regardless if
| | done for
| glidepath
| | control or landing in a crosswind, he calls them both
| | "sideslips".
| |
| | Go figure.
| |
| | Vaughn
| |
| |
|
| Does the term forward slip describe a slip? Yes.
|
| Does the term side slip describe a slip? Yes.
|
| Do both requre the same control inputs? Yes.
|
| What next? Will we have pattern turns, cross country turns, sight
| seeing turns, high altitude turns etc.
|
| Taking your moronic Okie logic the other direction, why not simply
| just
call
| everything a maneuver, which would cover taxiing, takeoffs, landings,
turns,
| slips, stalls, lazy eights, ascents, descents, chandelles, spins,
| immelmanns, barrel rolls, and dozens of other things.
|
| I'm just curious as to how Okies like you rise to the crème de la
| dumb level. Inbreeding and fetal alcohol syndrome only can account
| for so
much.
| Are there monuments to stupidity in every town? Do you have museums
| dedicated to stupidity that you regularly attend? Are there churches
where
| stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
|

Great, another lame story.

Keep taking drugs, I'm sure you are entertaining someone somewhere.




Moi?

Not at all. You're the source of entertainment, k00kieboi. I merely keep
you on the boil.



Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| "george" wrote in message
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| On Sep 25, 3:03 pm, "Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote:
| Are there churches where
| stupidity is preached from the pulpit? Are there clubs and civic
| organizations where stupidity is fostered to a fine art form?
|
| Obviously.
| And evidence of such subculture is demonstrated in your every post
|
| Actually, george, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not one to toot my
| own horn, but I do need to point out that quite a number of my posts
| could definitely be classified as clever by an objective reader, and
| dare I say humorous to some degree. So either objectivity and humor
| are not your forté, or your desire to come to the defense of rubes is
| so overwhelming
you
| would risk being ridiculed for your last senseless post in order to
| kiss
the
| arse of the resident RAP village idiot for reasons one can only
| speculate.
|

No, your drugs just make you feel 10 feet tall. If you ever sober up,
and reread some of your own ****, you'll probably change your name.




Wheras nobody, including you, can make sense of your drivel.



Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:Bc_Bk.17815$wr1.13986
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | Stefan wrote in news:9cc9b$48d7b746
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| | Robert Moore schrieb:
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| | A slip is a slip is a slip.
| |
| | From The FAA H-8083-3a, Airplane Flying Handbook
| |
| | Ok, so in the USA there exist several different brands of slips.
| |
| | In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip.
Which
| is
| | how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
| |
| |
| | You're full of ****, stefan.
| |
| | Slips are slips no matter where you are and slips, while
| aerodynamically
| | identical have different references.
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| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | Bertie
| |
| |
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| You're full of ****. A slip is a slip, and you are a sap.
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| nope, doesn't matter since you don't fly, though.
|
|
| Bertie
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|

So you wish.



No, it's pretty much self evident.

Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| Stefan wrote in
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| Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe schrieb:
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| In the rest of the world however, a slip is a slip is a slip. Which
| is how airplanes see it, too, I suppose.
|
| Yea, but you have to remember which is which in case it comes up on a
| test.
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| Now *this* is a valid argument which I must accept! :-)
|
|
| You're an idiot.
|
|
| Bertie

Well at best, he could only be an apprentice with you around.



Nah.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| jeremy wrote in
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| Stefan wrote:
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| An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
| pilot told me that it would have been much easier and equally
| efficient to just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would
| also have avoided possible problems driving the air driven
| generator. The pilot who who did a glider landing with anairbus on
| the Azores in 2001 used that technique.
|
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| Probably the easiest alternative to trying to haul the thing around
| the sky with degraded controls.
|
| the controls aren't degraded at all. Not a lot on the way of
| spoilers, but the flight controls work almost exactly the same on the
| RAT as they do normally.
|
|
| Bertie

dumb ass




Awwwwwww,


You're just a big meeeeennnneeeeee!




Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| Stefan wrote in news:752a8$48d89b77
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| schrieb:
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| The Air Canada pilot was a sailplane pilot, too, familiar
with
| slipping, and had operated sailplanes out of Gimli so he knew the
| place. If anyone else had been at the controls it might not have
| turned out so pretty.
|
| An airline pilot who happens to also be a pretty good sailplane
pilot
| told me that it would have been much easier and equally efficient
to
| just do S turns to adjust the glide path. This would also have
avoided
| possible problems driving the air driven generator. The pilot who
who
| did a glider landing with anairbus on the Azores in 2001 used that
| technique.
|
|
|
|
|
| Bull****.
|
|
|
| Bertie

Like you would know.




Snort! There are sevral here who know me and have flown with me.



My guess is they're laughing their asses off at you now.

But hey, n with the maxine show.







Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| Stefan wrote in
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| Robert Moore schrieb:
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| What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
| usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
| crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
|
| A slip is a slip is a slip.
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| No it isn't.
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| Bertie

Yes it is.




No it isn't.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:xEACk.10087$tp1.5942
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| | What's it to you, you don't fly and never will.
| |
| |
| | You just proved that with this poast.
| |
| |
| | Bertie
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| Explain the difference dumb ass, you can't.
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| Yes, I can, but if you really want to know, look it up, wannabe boi.
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| Bertie
|

I didn't think you could.




I know you didn't.



Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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| "Stefan" wrote in message
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| | Robert Moore schrieb:
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| | What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
usage
| | is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
crosswind,
| | and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly
| |
| | A slip is a slip is a slip.
| |
| | I always wondered why so many flight instructors celebrate the art
| | of making simple things seem complicated. I finally came to the
| | conlusion that it's to look more impressive to the female
| | students.
|
| Cuz they have their heads up their asses, just like Bertie
| Buttlick.
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|
|
| Bwawhahw!
|
| You actualy think you're wearing me down or something, don't you?
|
|
|
| Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhw!
|
|
| Bertie

Did you fall asleep on the send button again, dumb ass?




Nope.

Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
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| On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:10:50 GMT, Robert Moore
| wrote:
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| Stealth Pilot wrote
| Sideslips are a very useful tool because they allow you to
| substantially increase the drag, which makes you descent like a
| plumbers toolbag, but doesnt change the forward speed. so you have
| no increased risk of stalling as you wash off the height.
|
| What you have described is the "forward slip". Although control
| usage is the same in both, a "side slip" is used to correct for a
| crosswind, and a "forward slip" is used to descend more rapidly on
| final without having the airspeed increase. If one is not landing, I
| suppose that it would just be a "slip".
|
| Airliners normally do not use either because of the increased
| discomfort caused the passengers....both being uncoordinated flight.
|
| Amine wrote:
| PS: I have read about many cases of jetliners that had to make
| emergency descents at abnormally high speeds, but the AC143 seems
| the only one to have used the sideslip.
|
| AC 143 was constrained by "touchdown speed" runway length. An
| "emergency descent" has no such constraint and therefore is able to
| use the aircraft's maximum certificated speed for the descent...far
| in excess of what would be possible in an approach/landing
| situation.
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| In an engine failure situation, keep it as high as possible for as
| long as possible to insure that the field can be reached, and then
| slip as much as required to lose the excess altitude without gaining
| airspeed.
|
| Bob Moore
| Flight Instructor ASE-IA
| ATP B-707 B-727
| PanAm (retired)
|
| in my country the manouver I describe is always called a side slip.
|
| side slips are used as I indicate to dirty up the aircraft
| aerodynamically.
| they can be used to counter a crosswind but the crabbed approach is
| preferred because it doesnt change the approach profile.
|
| it is a side slip.
|
| youalls mileage may vary :-)
|
| Stealth Pilot

Yeah, but you're a dumb ass.




Nope


Bertie