Broke Airline Pilot needs "stuff" for an ASW-15B

On Oct 22, 8:06*pm, wrote:
I need a:

1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy

2. PDA device and connections

Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or
"category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals
where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are allowed.
See the rules

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf

There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some
Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or
similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about $150
and seem to provide adequate security.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even in
sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad,
elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few
altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make a
G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake
data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not
last long.

With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for a
while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2 recorder.
This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the
money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon.

Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with in
the ongoing logger saga.

John Cochrane BB

Since you can't read my email above.... it is liv2soar(at)yahoo.com

is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger?

Brad

On Oct 23, 7:57*am, BB wrote:
On Oct 22, 8:06*pm, wrote:

I need a:

1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy

2. PDA device and connections

Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or
"category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals
where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are allowed.
See the rules

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf

There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some
Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or
similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about $150
and seem to provide adequate security.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even in
sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad,
elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few
altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make a
G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake
data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not
last long.

With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for a
while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2 recorder.
This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the
money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon.

Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with in
the ongoing logger saga.

John Cochrane BB

On Oct 23, 8:12*pm, Brad wrote:
is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger?

Brad

On Oct 23, 7:57*am, BB wrote:

On Oct 22, 8:06*pm, wrote:

I need a:

1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy

2. PDA device and connections

Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or
"category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals
where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are allowed.
See the rules

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf

There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some
Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or
similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about $150
and seem to provide adequate security.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even in
sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad,
elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few
altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make a
G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake
data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not
last long.

With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for a
while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2 recorder.
This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the
money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon.

Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with in
the ongoing logger saga.

John Cochrane BB

Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done
now. The next release will have OLC validation.
A great news for a great program!

Mike

I think there is some confusion here.

For FAI/IGC Internationally recognised records and badges, evidence from a
secure flight recorder is required.

A number of programs produce fligth records that are in the correct
format, but unless they are from an IGC approved recorder, and pass a
validity check, they cannot be used for validating a flight.

What OLC chooses to accept is a matter for OLC, but unless XC-Soar
produces a hardware set that meets the IGC specification, and submits it
for approval, then IGC approval is not possible.

At 03:38 24 October 2008, Mike wrote:
On Oct 23, 8:12=A0pm, Brad wrote:
is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger?

Brad

On Oct 23, 7:57=A0am, BB wrote:

On Oct 22, 8:06=A0pm, wrote:

I need a:

1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy

2. PDA device and connections

Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or
"category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals
where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are
allowed.
See the rules

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf

There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some
Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or
similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about
$150
and seem to provide adequate security.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even
in
sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad,
elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few
altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make
a
G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake
data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not
last long.

With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for
a
while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2
recorder.
This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the
money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon.

Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with
in
the ongoing logger saga.

John Cochrane BB

Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done
now. The next release will have OLC validation.
A great news for a great program!

Mike

Back to the one-man rig issue. Unless you are in an unusual situation you
should be able to get along without this contraption. They are expensive and
use up too much space. At contests, clubs and commercial operations there is
always help.

If you do find yourself facing a solo assembly, use the two-blanket method
I've employed on a few occasions. Using old fluffy quilt-type blankets at
the tail and another where the tip will be when inserted into the fuselage,
assembly can be done as fast and safe as with a one-man rig.

Write me for assembly details if you go this way.

Karl Striedieck


"Peter Purdie" wrote in message
...
I think there is some confusion here.

For FAI/IGC Internationally recognised records and badges, evidence from a
secure flight recorder is required.

A number of programs produce fligth records that are in the correct
format, but unless they are from an IGC approved recorder, and pass a
validity check, they cannot be used for validating a flight.

What OLC chooses to accept is a matter for OLC, but unless XC-Soar
produces a hardware set that meets the IGC specification, and submits it
for approval, then IGC approval is not possible.

At 03:38 24 October 2008, Mike wrote:
On Oct 23, 8:12=A0pm, Brad wrote:
is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger?

Brad

On Oct 23, 7:57=A0am, BB wrote:

On Oct 22, 8:06=A0pm, wrote:

I need a:

1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy

2. PDA device and connections

Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or
"category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals
where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are
allowed.
See the rules

http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf

There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some
Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or
similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about
$150
and seem to provide adequate security.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even
in
sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad,
elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few
altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make
a
G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake
data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not
last long.

With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for
a
while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2
recorder.
This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the
money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon.

Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with
in
the ongoing logger saga.

John Cochrane BB

Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done
now. The next release will have OLC validation.
A great news for a great program!

Mike

On Oct 24, 2:35*am, "Karl Striedieck" wrote:

Write me for assembly details if you go this way.

Now Karl you have teased the thousands that lurk and the few that
post. How about sharing the blanket method? Best I can think of
is one blanket to the hold the broken bits and the other to hide my
face, but you say it works so there must be more to it than that.

Andy

On Oct 24, 4:35*pm, Andy wrote:
On Oct 24, 2:35*am, "Karl Striedieck" wrote:

Write me for assembly details if you go this way.

Now Karl you have teased the thousands that lurk and the few that
post. *How about sharing the blanket method? * * Best I can think of
is one blanket to the hold the broken bits and the other to hide my
face, but you say it works so there must be more to it than that.

Andy

No, you have it wrong. One blanket is to support the babe in micro-
bikini that is essential to this method. The babe attracts soaring
pilots, who then help you rig/de-rig. The babe may require some
upkeep ;-).

Frank (TA)

On Oct 24, 8:00*am, Peter Purdie wrote:
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unless XC-Soar
produces a hardware set that meets the IGC specification, and submits it
for approval, then IGC approval is not possible.

And since XC Soar is PDA software I think there is no chance of that
happening.

XC-SOAR is OLC approved! Awesome.

I put my moving map together on a Dell Axim x51v with a Helix GPS card
that simply inserts in the top of the PDA.

Its advisable to go with the Higher resolution mainstream PDA's from
Dell or HP etc you will be glad you did.

I loaded it with XC Soar and it works fantastic.

XC-Soar is especially nice because it is open source(free) and the way
it is designed you can remap buttons, rearrange the display, and
interface with other instruments like airspeed or vario. You could
even extend the funtionality if your a real programing geek.

The community support site is where you submits bugs, questions and
enhancement requests and new features or improvements regularly pop
up.

Anyway my Dell PDA & GPS card cost $125 on eBay and works fabulously,
the only thing I changed was buy a higher capacity battery and cover
for $12.

I also get wireless internet on the PDA from the Soaring Club so I can
check out last minute weather updates, and peruse airport information,
upload IGC files to the OLC etc. without having to get on the clubs
PC.

So there you have a very affordable solution for your "15"


Ray



Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done
now. The next release will have OLC validation.
A great news for a great program!

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