K13 Opinions

On Oct 28, 9:22*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
Agreed, hangar costs on an ASK-13 could be an added expense. *Just
FYI, our Blanik L-13's and L-23's spend the entire year tied down on
an asphalt ramp in "rainy" Seattle weather. *The paint would last
longer if they were hangared, but mechanically they do just fine.

Take care,

--Noel

K-2, K-7, and K-13 are much easier to rig/derig than most two-seaters,
other than K-21 or PW-6.

They stacked in a small hangar quite nicely. At my first club we
rigged and de-rigged all three daily.

Another club I belonged to had a K-7/10, lowered wing. On recovering
the wing, the trailing edge wood was needing replacement and some
frames and gussets needed regluing. It's good to look inside the
wings every 25 years or so.

They are very nice for training and spinning and remain popular in
Europe. Watch segelflug.de classifieds for current asking prices
(none currently listed, but there have been several in the past few
months). Someone beat me to the one in NV:^( JJ recovered it several
years ago according to the seller.

Frank Whiteley

Frank -

Good point! Whether your group rigs and de-rigs the two-seaters often
is another important consideration.

This, of course, depends not only on your hangar/trailer/tie-down
situation and your local weather patterns, but ALSO in how you run
your operations and what kind of flying you intend to do with your 2-
seat ships (for example, XC training entails a slightly higher risk of
a 2-seater landout and the resulting de-rig to trailer it home).

Take care,

--Noel

My club in the UK has 9 of the things that have all made many tens of
thousands of launches, mostly by winch. They are tough, easy to repair and
relatively cheap to buy compared with modern glass. They are a good, safe,
all round trainer, but are rather slow and have low performance by modern
standards. Unlike its successor the K21, it can be persuaded to spin and
doesn't quickly loose vast amounts of height doing so, unlike some other
modern glass trainers. We are starting to replace them with K21s and
DG1000s.

Derek Copeland

At 04:54 29 October 2008, noel.wade wrote:
Frank -

Good point! Whether your group rigs and de-rigs the two-seaters often
is another important consideration.

This, of course, depends not only on your hangar/trailer/tie-down
situation and your local weather patterns, but ALSO in how you run
your operations and what kind of flying you intend to do with your 2-
seat ships (for example, XC training entails a slightly higher risk of
a 2-seater landout and the resulting de-rig to trailer it home).

Take care,

--Noel

The ASK-13 is much appreciated as a trainer. There is one serious
catch however: a very limited maximum cockpit load. We have two 13's,
one with 168 kg max. weight for two pilots. This means problems with
your load and balance...

Thanks for all the replies. I overlooked the obvious need for hanger
space. This pretty much rules out a 13 for our club. Dang.

MIke

At 09:46 29 October 2008, stephanevdv wrote:
The ASK-13 is much appreciated as a trainer. There is one serious
catch however: a very limited maximum cockpit load. We have two 13's,
one with 168 kg max. weight for two pilots. This means problems with
your load and balance...


The Yanks should eat less burgers and fries and do a bit more walking.
Then there wouldn't be a problem!

The UK K13s have a BGA approved MAUW increase that makes them non
aerobatic , but normally allows two 200lb middle aged males to fly them.
We are just hoping that EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency, otherwise
known as Europe Against Soaring Anything) wouldn't re-impose the original
limits.

Derek Copeland