Looking for B-17 video...

Duster wrote:

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Glad to be of service ;-)

About time a.d.a talked about real a/c probs instead of crank dip****
conspiracy theories.


Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Duster wrote:

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Glad to be of service ;-)

About time a.d.a talked about real a/c probs instead of crank dip****
conspiracy theories.

You mean that crank dip**** Hall?

Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Duster wrote:

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Glad to be of service ;-)

About time a.d.a talked about real a/c probs instead of crank dip****
conspiracy theories.

You mean that crank dip**** Hall?

The TWA 800 enquiry was so badly handled that it was bound to result in
conspiracy theories regardless of the merits of the variously debated
scenarios.

So, basically, yes I guess so.

GRaham

Tarver Engineering wrote:

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-Gord.
Merry Christmas to you/yours Gord. Glad to see the "Sensible Old
Hands" are
still around/lurking ADA.

Look here, Nesbitt, as long as you are calling 747s "bombs", you are a
nut.

Why does my wishing some 1 Merry Christmas cause you such "Heart Burn".

No, Ralph, it is you attempting to include yourself in some "sensible old
hands" group, that gives me alarm; as you are a nut calling 747s "bombs".
Do you have any clue how humiliated Cal Tech is for that little stunt?

Are you referring to the 'explosive mix' experiment that was conducted using
propane ? IIRC as a substitute for Jet A fumes ?

Graham

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
y.com...

-Gord.
Merry Christmas to you/yours Gord. Glad to see the "Sensible Old
Hands" are
still around/lurking ADA.

Look here, Nesbitt, as long as you are calling 747s "bombs", you are
a
nut.

Why does my wishing some 1 Merry Christmas cause you such "Heart
Burn".

No, Ralph, it is you attempting to include yourself in some "sensible
old
hands" group, that gives me alarm; as you are a nut calling 747s
"bombs".
Do you have any clue how humiliated Cal Tech is for that little stunt?

Are you referring to the 'explosive mix' experiment that was conducted
using
propane ? IIRC as a substitute for Jet A fumes ?

Propane and hydrogen was the mix used by Cal Tech and they are now
humiliated for the stunt nation wide. No longer will America's Universities
even consider lending their credibility to NTSB and they can no longer get a
University to do work for them.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
y.com...

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
y.com...

-Gord.
Merry Christmas to you/yours Gord. Glad to see the "Sensible Old
Hands" are
still around/lurking ADA.

Look here, Nesbitt, as long as you are calling 747s "bombs", you
are
a
nut.

Why does my wishing some 1 Merry Christmas cause you such "Heart
Burn".

No, Ralph, it is you attempting to include yourself in some "sensible
old
hands" group, that gives me alarm; as you are a nut calling 747s
"bombs".
Do you have any clue how humiliated Cal Tech is for that little stunt?

Are you referring to the 'explosive mix' experiment that was conducted
using
propane ? IIRC as a substitute for Jet A fumes ?

Propane and hydrogen was the mix used by Cal Tech and they are now
humiliated for the stunt nation wide. No longer will America's
Universities
even consider lending their credibility to NTSB and they can no longer get
a
University to do work for them.

The vapor mix created for use in the tests was molecularly equivalent to
that of Jet A at a specified barometric pressure at a specified temp.

I understand the concept/principal followed, but am not qualified to argue
the fine points of the "Why/How".

Please explain/offer an alternative proposal/method of creating a substance
with the "Molecular Equivalency" of Jet A at varying altitudes & Temps.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
y.com...

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
y.com...

-Gord.
Merry Christmas to you/yours Gord. Glad to see the "Sensible
Old Hands" are
still around/lurking ADA.

Look here, Nesbitt, as long as you are calling 747s "bombs", you
are a nut.

Why does my wishing some 1 Merry Christmas cause you such "Heart
Burn".

No, Ralph, it is you attempting to include yourself in some
"sensible old
hands" group, that gives me alarm; as you are a nut calling 747s
"bombs".
Do you have any clue how humiliated Cal Tech is for that little
stunt?

Are you referring to the 'explosive mix' experiment that was conducted
using
propane ? IIRC as a substitute for Jet A fumes ?

Propane and hydrogen was the mix used by Cal Tech and they are now
humiliated for the stunt nation wide. No longer will America's
Universities
even consider lending their credibility to NTSB and they can no longer
get a
University to do work for them.

The vapor mix created for use in the tests was molecularly equivalent to
that of Jet A at a specified barometric pressure at a specified temp.

What Cal Tech did was peer reviewed to much snickering; don't count on a
sequel.

In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

What Cal Tech did was peer reviewed to much snickering; don't count on a
sequel.

Then you should be able to cite some good scathing peer reviews, right?

The NTSB seems to have agreed with the obvious results (like the heating
problems from the air conditioners, which puts the fuel/air ignition
temps up into the "oh ****" range...).

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

What Cal Tech did was peer reviewed to much snickering; don't count on a
sequel.

Then you should be able to cite some good scathing peer reviews, right?

I could put forward the outright refusal of the University system refusing
to do any more work for NTSB, due to their misuse of the material. As usual
though, I will expect you to do your own research.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:55:57 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

Propane and hydrogen was the mix used by Cal Tech and they are now
humiliated for the stunt nation wide.

Really? According to the US News and World Report's rankings, Cal Tech
is tied for 5th with Duke, Stanford and the University of Pennsylvania
among the 248 universities in the country (162 public and 86 private)
that offer a wide range of undergraduate majors as well as master's
and doctoral degrees:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/col...udoc_brief.php

It must be so humiliating to trail only Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and
MIT! (I fully realize that such rankings are highly subjective, but if
Cal Tech had really been humiliated nationwide, one might expect it to
affect such rankings.) Perhaps Cal Tech fired the guy responsible for
their humiliation? Oops, Joseph Shepherd was promoted to full
Professor of Aeronautics in 1999. Perhaps students have noticed this
humiliation and are going elsewhere? Oops, they get roughly 3,000
applications for about 215 places in the freshman class.

Is there any objective evidence that they have been humiliated, or is
this just Mr. Tarver's impression?

Curious readers might also note that the Cal Tech research group
conducted several hundred combustion experiments with Jet A besides
the propane/hydrogen/air experiments. They might also note that back
on Thu, 24 May 2001 11:45:45 -0700, Mr. Tarver acknowledged that he
had not read any of the reports published by Cal Tech's Explosion
Dynamics Laboratory, because "any credibility Cal Tech ever had with
me left when their potato gun was on National News." How his
preference for sound bite science affects his credibility is left as
an exercise to the reader.

No longer will America's Universities
even consider lending their credibility to NTSB and they can no longer get a
University to do work for them.

Can Mr. Tarver cite an instance where a NTSB tried to get a University
to work for them and failed to do so? Details such as which University
and which request for proposal might be helpful.

Regards,

George
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