Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure
picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator
training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

What-ho, Squiffy?
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about
birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They
sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is
ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or
simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the
matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

What-ho, Squiffy?


uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh..


Bertie

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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John wrote in
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On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes:
Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the
Hudson
after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about
birdstrikes,
but
can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They
sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is
ok...

Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet
engines
don't
often
fail all on their own.

Well, according to
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp?
channel=busav&
id=news/eng08036.xml

By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor
stalls/surges
account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's
turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine
designs
in
which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction.
Since
stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would
assume
that
it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or
simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing
the
matter or
being
exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator
session.


I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the
drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle
and/or
shutting down anyhow.
Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine
straight
away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away
happily
enough
until you pulled the thrust lever back.


Bertie


Sounds like you, retarded and farting away.



Awww, maxie make a witty!

ROLF!


Tie me kangaroo down, sport.

What-ho, Squiffy?


uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh..


I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Discuss.




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I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before had a
bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the windshield wiper.
The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the broken blade through the
side of the fuselage, impaling itself in the thigh of one of the pax. He had
to go to the operating room for some sort of surgery, but I do not think it
broke his femur. Talk about bad luck.

They flew in a new prop the next day, and there was some speed tape on the
side of the fuselage.

I've always wondered if the pax got to ride free on NWA for the rest of his
life.

"Viperdoc" wrote in
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I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before
had a bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the
windshield wiper. The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the
broken blade through the side of the fuselage, impaling itself in the
thigh of one of the pax. He had to go to the operating room for some
sort of surgery, but I do not think it broke his femur. Talk about bad
luck.

They flew in a new prop the next day, and there was some speed tape on
the side of the fuselage.


yipes. An airplane I uswed to fly had a wiper come loose and go right
through the engine, trashing it, but that is bad luck.

BTW, thehole in the fuse had to have had more than speed tape over it
unless thye were ferrying it unpressurised!

I've always wondered if the pax got to ride free on NWA for the rest
of his life.

Hehe
He'd have been lucky to get a taxi ride to the hospital for free!

They'd prolly refuse to give him anything to avoid being seen as shoudergin
any blame whatsoever, I'd a thought.


Bertie

From across the ramp it sure looked like speed tape, although it could have
been a riveted patch. South Dakota to MSP is a pretty short flight.

If I had been that guy I would have demanded a free first class pass for
four pax domestic and international for the rest of my life. Even if NWA won
the lawsuit, the cost of litigation would probably have been cheaper than
the tix.

Viperdoc wrote:
From across the ramp it sure looked like speed tape, although it could have
been a riveted patch. South Dakota to MSP is a pretty short flight.

If I had been that guy I would have demanded a free first class pass for
four pax domestic and international for the rest of my life. Even if NWA won
the lawsuit, the cost of litigation would probably have been cheaper than
the tix.





But how in any way was the fault of MWA what happened?

"Viperdoc" wrote in
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From across the ramp it sure looked like speed tape, although it could
have been a riveted patch. South Dakota to MSP is a pretty short
flight.

They could have flown it, but it would almost certainly have been a ferry
to get the skin patched. Just rivets won't do it AFAIK, it has to be
bondded. Problem with pressurised fuselages is that a tear like that is a
stress riser, so even a little patch has to be prepared and doen properly.
not a big issue if you fly it unpressurised, though.

If I had been that guy I would have demanded a free first class pass
for four pax domestic and international for the rest of my life. Even
if NWA won the lawsuit, the cost of litigation would probably have
been cheaper than the tix.





But why would the pax settle for it? I wouldn't I'd sue em.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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snip of your usual bull**** -

Good job Gertie. After the absence of your ignorance for a couple of months,
the newsgroup begins to show signs of becoming useful again, and here you
are, spouting your wanna be troll nonsense, and cross posting to the kook
world.

Are you afraid Mx was stealing your thunder?

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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snip of your usual bull**** -

Good job Gertie. After the absence of your ignorance for a couple of
months, the newsgroup begins to show signs of becoming useful again,
and here you are, spouting your wanna be troll nonsense, and cross
posting to the kook world.

Are you afraid Mx was stealing your thunder?

Nope, i just like watching you bitch and moan. It's a bit like watching a
turtle turned on it's back.


Bertie