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Ralph Nesbitt wrote:

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Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".

All very true.

I was nevertheless disappointed as a pyromaniac kid, that placing a closed
paint can 1/4 full of petrol / gasoline over a camp stove *didn't* result
in
the conflagration I was hoping for !


Graham ;-)

You left/put to much in the can.

You want a show. Put 1 cap full of gasoline/petrol in a dry standard 2 liter
bottle, put the lid on, put it in the middle of a 55 gallon "Burn Barrel"
filled with loose News paper. Light the News paper, stand way back.

Just the closed bottle itself exploding has been known to scatter burning
paper some distance. Adding a "Cap full of Petrol/Gasoline" to the bottle,
depending on exact direction of explosive failure within the barrel, has
been know to turn the barrel over/roll it around.

Caution have a water hose handy to deal with "Grass Fires" resulting from
the scattered burning paper. Don't try this where burning paper will land on
building roofs, or drift into areas conducive of "Wild Fires". Expect
burning paper to be blown as much as 100' in the air depending on proper
placement of paper in barrel before lighting the fire.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote
Ralph Nesbitt wrote:
"Duster" wrote in message

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing CWT
Design Philosophy".

All very true.

I was nevertheless disappointed as a pyromaniac kid, that placing a closed
paint can 1/4 full of petrol / gasoline over a camp stove *didn't* result in
the conflagration I was hoping for !

Graham ;-)

You left/put to much in the can.

You want a show. Put 1 cap full of gasoline/petrol in a dry standard 2 liter
bottle, put the lid on, put it in the middle of a 55 gallon "Burn Barrel"
filled with loose News paper. Light the News paper, stand way back.

Just the closed bottle itself exploding has been known to scatter burning
paper some distance. Adding a "Cap full of Petrol/Gasoline" to the bottle,
depending on exact direction of explosive failure within the barrel, has
been know to turn the barrel over/roll it around.

Caution have a water hose handy to deal with "Grass Fires" resulting from
the scattered burning paper. Don't try this where burning paper will land on
building roofs, or drift into areas conducive of "Wild Fires". Expect
burning paper to be blown as much as 100' in the air depending on proper
placement of paper in barrel before lighting the fire.

Splaps Boy can fire a shotgun blast into a gallon can full of gasoline,
at point-blank range.

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Ralph Nesbitt wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
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"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote:

"Duster" wrote

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost
better
though..

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling
units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of
various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or
shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running
under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the
"Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".

Splaps Boy is correct in that the A/C is not a "bomb" in the
conventional sense of large object full of high explosive that is
gravity-dropped on a target, but a Boeing 7x7 aircraft's CWT with the
right fuel-air mixture if detonated can equal several sticks of
dynamite
in explosive power.

Please note "Splaps Boy" is the one screaming "Bomb" not be. I am simply
pointing out "The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy" results in conditions in
the
CWT of Boeing A/C conducive to "Self Initiating FAE's (Fuel Air
Explosion)".

Self - initiating ? I've never known a fuel air mixture explode of its own
accord outside a diesel engine. Especially with quite low temps.

An ignition source is also required.


Certain specified operating protocols have become minimum SOP to limit
the
"Inherent Danger" associated with"The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy".

As in turning off the fuel pumps with the dodgy wiring when the tank is
low ?


Graham

For details regarding the "Self-initiateing" comment above see:
http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/EDL/pr...nceptions.html

There are references to several scientific papers here. Effectively it is
not uncommon for the "Air Temp" inside the "Vapour Space" of an A/C with a
"~ empty CWT" sitting on a ramp in high ambient temp conditions with the air
handling units running, to exceed the "Flash Point" of "Jet A Vapors" within
the ambient atmospheric conditions.

The upper & lower flammable limits of Jet A vapors vary with atmospheric
pressure & temp of the vapor. When Jet A Vapor that has been heated to a
Temp close to it's self ignition Temp at a given atmospheric pressure, a
change in the atmospheric pressure can result in self ignition resulting in
an FAE.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

From: "Scott M. Kozel"


Splaps Boy can fire a shotgun blast into a gallon can full of gasoline,
at point-blank range.


You'd trust that boy with a firearm?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Duster wrote:

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Glad to be of service ;-)

About time a.d.a talked about real a/c probs instead of crank dip****
conspiracy theories.

You mean that crank dip**** Hall?

The TWA 800 enquiry was so badly handled that it was bound to result in
conspiracy theories regardless of the merits of the variously debated
scenarios.

So, basically, yes I guess so.

GRaham

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
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I have stated that

A=: "The Boeing CWT Design Philosophy" results in an "Inherently
Dangerous
Situation" across a broad spectrum of a Boeing A/C/s flight profile.

An out and out lie and a conclusion which Nesbitt is completely unqualified
to draw.

snip of additional false statements

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"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
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Splappy you are beginning to get so far out in the "Briar Patch"
beyond
the
"Facility's Left Field Fence" you can barely be "Heard".

I am completely mainstream. It is your insistance on lying about
the
reliability of the 747 that is out in the ozone, Ralph. There is
nothing
wrong with the airplane, as it comes from the factory.

Your "burning electricity caused section 40 to fall off" theory
sure finds fault with the electrical fault isolation design and
you accuse Boeing of installing an undocumented section
to boot! Suggest you brush up on chapters 6 and 24.

Undocumented in what way, Jimmy loon?

Undocumented as in nonexistant.

Jimmy, there is no possibility that you could know what you are writting.

The truely fantastic part, is the notion of a grease monkey aregueing with a
systems engineer, about how an airplane works. You couldn't be more of an
idiot, Knoyle.

"Ralph Nesbitt" wrote in message
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Hopefully Phil picks this up for his section on "Tarver/Splaps
Boy/Splappy.

You do know, Ralph, that the spoiler is operated as a flap on 707, 727, and
747 Boeing aircraft, by the automatic Yaw damper? That is of course a
predictable result, when you parrot Craig, a scab road engineer's draftsman.
(crossing state lines to evade the engineer's Act) The Mazor sock mighthave
been a better choice to parrot, except his puppetmaster Marron was never
more that a turboprop operator. (with knowledge of a large transport)

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Duster wrote:

Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Glad to be of service ;-)

About time a.d.a talked about real a/c probs instead of crank dip****
conspiracy theories.

You mean that crank dip**** Hall?

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Ralph Nesbitt wrote:

"Duster" wrote in message
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Holy **** and all I wanted was a video... hehe this is almost better
though..

Duster

Tarver cannot get it through his head that having the air handling units
operating under the CWT when the A/C is stationary is like putting a
pressure cooker with a small amount of fuel in it, on a stove at low
heat.

There have been several incidents world wide where Boeing A/C of various
models have exploded sitting at gates, on ramps, taxing out, or shortly
after take off after sitting with the air handling units running under ~
empty CWT's.

There are now "Air Safety Directives" stipulating/requiring certain
operating protocols to minimize this hazard associated with the "Boeing
CWT
Design Philosophy".

All very true.

All very false, Ralph is lying and has not a clue.