asymetric warfare

(Derek Lyons) writes:

(John Schilling) wrote:

High bandwidth and low latency they are not, but adequate for getting
out the "Execute War Plan Blue ASAP" message to people who already have
their part of War Plan Blue in sealed envelopes on-site.

Assuming the people who are sending the messages have already trained
the birds to fly to the various locations...

They are a valid backup method for some uses, but one that takes
considerable work to establish and maintain.


Yes, but the NKPA has had nothing *to* do for fifty years, except prepare
for a massive battle with the US/ROK across a narrow and fixed frontier.
If they want carrier pigeons as a backup, they can set up and maintain
the network. If they don't have a backup carrier-pigeon network, it's
because they are confident that they have alternate methods that are
even more robust in the face of all the usual US countermeasures.

Given their predilection for digging deep, I wonder if there's such a
thing as a carrier mole :-)


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In article ,
(John Schilling) wrote:

If they don't have a backup carrier-pigeon network, it's
because they are confident that they have alternate methods that are
even more robust in the face of all the usual US countermeasures.

....or they figure they're so screwed in the event of actual war that
they don't bother...

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Chad Irby writes:

In article ,
(John Schilling) wrote:

If they don't have a backup carrier-pigeon network, it's
because they are confident that they have alternate methods that are
even more robust in the face of all the usual US countermeasures.

...or they figure they're so screwed in the event of actual war that
they don't bother...


Except that you are the only person on Earth with this inexplicable
belief. The NKPA has visibly devoted *enormous* effort to preparing
for actual war, such as carving out millions of cubic meters of hard
rock tunnels and fortifications, and you honestly think they are a
bunch of defeatists who can't be bothered to keep up a bunch of
pigeons or the equivalent?

They may not believe they can *win* a war, but they almost certainly
believe they can make the first day of that war really damned expensive
for the US and ROK. And they are almost certainly right - there's an
artillery tube every *fifty meters* along that border, dug in deep, and
the idea that the gunners are just going to sit around twiddling their
thumbs because we jam their radios and bomb their telephone exchanges,
is not terribly plausible.


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In article ,
(John Schilling) wrote:

Chad Irby writes:

In article ,
(John Schilling) wrote:

If they don't have a backup carrier-pigeon network, it's
because they are confident that they have alternate methods that are
even more robust in the face of all the usual US countermeasures.

...or they figure they're so screwed in the event of actual war that
they don't bother...


Except that you are the only person on Earth with this inexplicable
belief.

That's something called "humor."

Sorry you missed it.

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Chad Irby wrote:
...or they figure they're so screwed in the event of actual war that
they don't bother...

They are not stupid, and have plenty of successful combat
experience, albeit 50 years old.

They have *obviously* bothered over the last 50 years;
their military budget, clearly observable military construction,
etc all point to massive preparation work.

How effective is that? We don't know. It might all crumble to
dust if exposed to modern US and SK forces, or it might turn
out to be the worst thing we've had to fight since 1900.

We should not ascribe magic properties to their defensive
and offensive capabilities, but merely having tens of thousands
of artillery pieces along that border segment, essentially all
in bunkers or other hardpoints, is a calculus that requires
very significant threat level assumptions. If it hasn't
all rusted out, it's a very very dangerous thing.


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Chad Irby wrote:
...or they figure they're so screwed in the event of actual war that
they don't bother...

They are not stupid, and have plenty of successful combat
experience, albeit 50 years old.

They have *obviously* bothered over the last 50 years;
their military budget, clearly observable military construction,
etc all point to massive preparation work.

How effective is that? We don't know. It might all crumble to
dust if exposed to modern US and SK forces, or it might turn
out to be the worst thing we've had to fight since 1900.

We should not ascribe magic properties to their defensive
and offensive capabilities, but merely having tens of thousands
of artillery pieces along that border segment, essentially all
in bunkers or other hardpoints, is a calculus that requires
very significant threat level assumptions. If it hasn't
all rusted out, it's a very very dangerous thing.

Any chance of a chain reaction?

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On 29 Dec 2003 19:23:28 -0800, (John Schilling)
wrote:


Given their predilection for digging deep, I wonder if there's such a
thing as a carrier mole :-)

Thank you for giving the genetic engineering types yet ANOTHER
crazy idea...

First the Golden Rebeaver, now this...!

;-)