asymetric warfare

In article ,
says...
Bernardz wrote:

:In article ,
says...
:
: We've now added invisible anti-aircraft installations
:
:Never said it would be invisible.
:
:What I said is that because there will not be time to clear the anti-
:aircraft equipment in this case the planes would be flying into them.

And why is that?

Missiles and artillery are hitting the city. We must move immediately.


:The closest example I can think of is Israel in Yom Kippur war were
:because of the immediate demands of the war meant that Israeli planes
:early in the war had to fly into very dangerous regions.

That's because they were trying to blunt an attack on themselves.
What is going to give the US such time-urgency in an invasion of
Elbonia that they won't take the time to clear the obviously visible
air defences first?

As above


: and lots of deep
: caves to the mix with the magic technology cruise missile.
:
:These sort of cruise missiles have been available for years.

Oh, really? So where can I buy a few thousand of these $10k cruise
missiles,

I would suggest that any medium size country could put something
together.

with their precision guidance, terminal radar homing, spread
spectrum datalinks, etc?

To hit a city large you don't need any of this. All a V1 had was a
simple revolution meter. Of those not shot down half hit London. I am
sure a rather simple device could now be constructed that could do a
better job.



: You have no idea how silly all this sounds to people who actually
: build weapons.
:
:Tell me?

Very.

Now, if you want to change the rules of the game and play 'North
Korea', that's a different matter.



--
A terrorist kills for publicity.

24th saying of Bernard

Bernardz wrote:

:In article ,
says...
: Bernardz wrote:
:
: :In article ,
: says...
: :
: : We've now added invisible anti-aircraft installations
: :
: :Never said it would be invisible.
: :
: :What I said is that because there will not be time to clear the anti-
: :aircraft equipment in this case the planes would be flying into them.
:
: And why is that?
:
:Missiles and artillery are hitting the city. We must move immediately.

So, as the Elbonian leader, upon the start of a US invasion you are
going to missile your own people on the presumption that US forces
will commit suicide to save your people from you? Pretty unlikely.

: :The closest example I can think of is Israel in Yom Kippur war were
: :because of the immediate demands of the war meant that Israeli planes
: :early in the war had to fly into very dangerous regions.
:
: That's because they were trying to blunt an attack on themselves.
: What is going to give the US such time-urgency in an invasion of
: Elbonia that they won't take the time to clear the obviously visible
: air defences first?
:
:As above

As above, indeed. Your anti-aircraft defenses, not being invisible,
will be taken out BEFORE the US goes into your cities, so you must be
assuming that launching all your magic cruise missiles at your own
defenseless civilians will someone convince the US to endanger its own
people. Not likely.

: : and lots of deep
: : caves to the mix with the magic technology cruise missile.
: :
: :These sort of cruise missiles have been available for years.
:
: Oh, really? So where can I buy a few thousand of these $10k cruise
: missiles,
:
:I would suggest that any medium size country could put something
:together.

And I would suggest that said medium sized country would need a fair
number of wizards to produce that much magic.

: with their precision guidance, terminal radar homing, spread
: spectrum datalinks, etc?
:
:To hit a city large you don't need any of this. All a V1 had was a
:simple revolution meter. Of those not shot down half hit London. I am
:sure a rather simple device could now be constructed that could do a
:better job.

So your answer to US invasion is what is essentially a random missile
attack on your own cities? And you think this will stop a US
invasion? And of course, all third world nations have cities the size
of London and its environs.

I will note that most folks think that V1 attacks on London were a
waste of effort for Germany that could have been applied elsewhere. I
will further note that for the thousands of V1 and V2 weapons fired at
Britain, relatively few people were killed by them. And yet you
somehow expect all these installations to go unnoticed before you get
invaded and these weapons to somehow effectively target US forces in
preference to the vast majority of civilians in cities (assuming, of
course, that the US forces stay in your cities rather than building
their own basecamps) or else that attacking your own cities as the US
comes in will somehow convince the US forces to simply suicide.

: : You have no idea how silly all this sounds to people who actually
: : build weapons.
: :
: :Tell me?
:
: Very.
:
: Now, if you want to change the rules of the game and play 'North
: Korea', that's a different matter.

At this point I have to ask - what ARE you smoking?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

In article ,
says...
Bernardz wrote:

:In article ,
says...
: Bernardz wrote:
:
: :In article ,
: says...
: :
: : We've now added invisible anti-aircraft installations
: :
: :Never said it would be invisible.
: :
: :What I said is that because there will not be time to clear the anti-
: :aircraft equipment in this case the planes would be flying into them.
:
: And why is that?
:
:Missiles and artillery are hitting the city. We must move immediately.

So, as the Elbonian leader, upon the start of a US invasion you are
going to missile your own people on the presumption that US forces
will commit suicide to save your people from you? Pretty unlikely.

(a)
I never said my own people. I said some neighbour that is an ally of the
US.

We talking of deterring the US. If it came to use. I think we would
agree it would be suicide. Worst case in use is that the US would say
how terrible and we are sorry.





: :The closest example I can think of is Israel in Yom Kippur war were
: :because of the immediate demands of the war meant that Israeli planes
: :early in the war had to fly into very dangerous regions.
:
: That's because they were trying to blunt an attack on themselves.
: What is going to give the US such time-urgency in an invasion of
: Elbonia that they won't take the time to clear the obviously visible
: air defences first?
:
:As above

As above, indeed. Your anti-aircraft defenses, not being invisible,
will be taken out BEFORE the US goes into your cities, so you must be
assuming that launching all your magic cruise missiles at your own
defenseless civilians will someone convince the US to endanger its own
people. Not likely.

As (a) above


: : and lots of deep
: : caves to the mix with the magic technology cruise missile.
: :
: :These sort of cruise missiles have been available for years.
:
: Oh, really? So where can I buy a few thousand of these $10k cruise
: missiles,
:
:I would suggest that any medium size country could put something
:together.

And I would suggest that said medium sized country would need a fair
number of wizards to produce that much magic.

No. Germany in WW2 could do it almost 60 years ago. Even the
Palestinians today have managed to put together some similar type
system.


: with their precision guidance, terminal radar homing, spread
: spectrum datalinks, etc?
:
:To hit a city large you don't need any of this. All a V1 had was a
:simple revolution meter. Of those not shot down half hit London. I am
:sure a rather simple device could now be constructed that could do a
:better job.

So your answer to US invasion is what is essentially a random missile
attack on your own cities? And you think this will stop a US
invasion? And of course, all third world nations have cities the size
of London and its environs.

As (a) above


I will note that most folks think that V1 attacks on London were a
waste of effort for Germany that could have been applied elsewhere. I
will further note that for the thousands of V1 and V2 weapons fired at
Britain, relatively few people were killed by them.

Look at the thread London Blitz vs V1. Most people do not seem to be
saying that at all.

And yet you
somehow expect all these installations to go unnoticed before you get
invaded and these weapons to somehow effectively target US forces in
preference to the vast majority of civilians in cities (assuming, of
course, that the US forces stay in your cities rather than building
their own basecamps) or else that attacking your own cities as the US
comes in will somehow convince the US forces to simply suicide.


Never said that.



: : You have no idea how silly all this sounds to people who actually
: : build weapons.
: :
: :Tell me?
:
: Very.
:
: Now, if you want to change the rules of the game and play 'North
: Korea', that's a different matter.

At this point I have to ask - what ARE you smoking?


Give me time. New year eve is just about to start now. Have a good one.
Actually I don't think overall we are that far apart.

If they don't deter the US this country is dead.

--
Above all wish for a healthy year

25th saying of Bernard

Bernardz wrote:

:In article ,
says...
: Bernardz wrote:
:
: :In article ,
: says...
: : Bernardz wrote:
: :
: : :In article ,
: : says...
: : :
: : : We've now added invisible anti-aircraft installations
: : :
: : :Never said it would be invisible.
: : :
: : :What I said is that because there will not be time to clear the anti-
: : :aircraft equipment in this case the planes would be flying into them.
: :
: : And why is that?
: :
: :Missiles and artillery are hitting the city. We must move immediately.
:
: So, as the Elbonian leader, upon the start of a US invasion you are
: going to missile your own people on the presumption that US forces
: will commit suicide to save your people from you? Pretty unlikely.
:
a)
:I never said my own people. I said some neighbour that is an ally of the
:US.

You're assuming that one exists and that it has high value targets in
range of your cheap magical cruise missiles. Such situations are
going to be rare - probably limited to being North Korea.

You're also assuming that attacking your neighbor unprovoked is
somehow going to win you points somewhere.

: And I would suggest that said medium sized country would need a fair
: number of wizards to produce that much magic.
:
:No. Germany in WW2 could do it almost 60 years ago. Even the
:Palestinians today have managed to put together some similar type
:system.

Cite? Because I don't think we're talking about the same thing at all
anymore.

: I will note that most folks think that V1 attacks on London were a
: waste of effort for Germany that could have been applied elsewhere. I
: will further note that for the thousands of V1 and V2 weapons fired at
: Britain, relatively few people were killed by them.
:
:Look at the thread London Blitz vs V1. Most people do not seem to be
:saying that at all.

I'd suggest you get an education on this somewhere other than Usenet.
History books would be a good start.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn