Sad day for Mxsmanic

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

For the same reason I'm really good at killing zombies on my computer, it
isn't real life you nitwit.

Unfortunately, that's not an answer. The reality is that there is no
basis
for your assertion.

It has long been taken as gospel that a non-pilot could never land an
airliner, and as long as one sticks to the outdated assumption that he'd
have
to actually take the controls, that's probably true. But today's
airliners
are so heavily automated that they can be flown and landed without ever
touching the flight controls, so the dogma of yesteryear is no longer
applicable.


Dude, I wouldn't guarantee that I could land an airliner, even if I did it
wouldn't be pretty. But don't let reality get in the way of your delusion of
saving the day. If you want to pretend that pushing a few buttons that you
are told to push and the thing autolanding as "really" landing an airliner
then that is hardly landing an airliner. Now if you want to talk hand flying
the plane onto the runway with just MSFS experience as your background then
I think you live in fantasy land.

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

If you want to pretend that pushing a few buttons that you
are told to push and the thing autolanding as "really" landing an airliner
then that is hardly landing an airliner.

The airliner ends up on the ground, stopped, undamaged, with all passengers
safe. That's as real as it gets.

Now if you want to talk hand flying
the plane onto the runway with just MSFS experience as your background then
I think you live in fantasy land.

Hand-flying isn't necessary, as I have explained.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

No it cannot. It would end in disaster.

Why?

It has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction that any other outcome is
possible.

I do not accept your conjecture as proof.

When you have evidence that someone with nothing but simulator experience
has successfully landed an airliner full of passengers, let me know.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

No it cannot. It would end in disaster.

Why?

It has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction that any other outcome is
possible.

I do not accept your conjecture as proof.

When you have evidence that someone with nothing but simulator experience
has successfully landed an airliner full of passengers, let me know.


This will be a circular conversation where MS insists that simulation is
close enough that it could easily be pulled off with no further proof.

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
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This will be a circular conversation where MS insists that simulation is
close enough that it could easily be pulled off with no further proof.

Maybe semi-circular.

When he responds with the same conjecture, there won't be any point in
repeating myself.

Steve Foley writes:

It has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction that any other outcome is
possible.

That is not the same as demonstrating that it would end in disaster.

I do not accept your conjecture as proof.

Likewise.

When you have evidence that someone with nothing but simulator experience
has successfully landed an airliner full of passengers, let me know.

The non-pilot would not need simulator experience. He would only need the
ability to follow instructions, along with a cool head.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Steve Foley writes:

It has not been demonstrated to my satisfaction that any other outcome is
possible.

That is not the same as demonstrating that it would end in disaster.

I do not accept your conjecture as proof.

Likewise.

When you have evidence that someone with nothing but simulator experience
has successfully landed an airliner full of passengers, let me know.

The non-pilot would not need simulator experience. He would only need the
ability to follow instructions, along with a cool head.


Having someone instruct you set the plane up to autoland is not you flying
an airliner to landing.

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

Having someone instruct you set the plane up to autoland is not you flying
an airliner to landing.

By whose definition?

The question was whether or not a non-pilot could land an airliner safely.
The answer is yes. Restricting the scenario to hand-flying only--something
that even the regular pilots don't normally do--is excessively artificial and
irrelevant, rather akin to saying that the pilots aren't really controlling
the airplane unless they turn off the hydraulics and move the control surfaces
with muscle power alone.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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I do not accept your conjecture as proof.

Likewise.


So to summarize:

I have first hand knowledge of what needs to be done. I contend it cannot be
done, and as evidence, I offer that it has never been done.

You have read about the activity, and contend that it can be done. As
evidence you offer that you have read about the activity and contend that it
can be done.

Mighty compelling argument.

Steve Foley writes:

I have first hand knowledge of what needs to be done.

So do I.

I contend it cannot be done, and as evidence, I offer that
it has never been done.

Lightning cannot strike my house, because it never has.