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Really, and how was your landing?

I wasn't allowed to land on my first lesson and I would doubt anyone
is but I'm sure your hoping to compare my first lesson to how I, or a
complete novice with zero aircraft experience, would land a commercial
airliner. Landing a small Cessna 152 (with NO AUTOPILOT) requires
manual control of pitch and throttle to retain the required descent
rate and localiser following. Landing an airliner can all be done via
the Autoland system with the press of a few buttons. It doesn't have
to be done manually, you do NOT have to control the yoke or touch the
thrust levers until on the ground. MOST real life landings are done
with this method with the pilot perhaps only disconnecting the
autopilot and autothrottle systems a few hundred feet above ground
level when the aircraft is already established and configured for the
descent path i.e. descent rate, airspeed and lateral position. His
hands will of course remain on the control column and thrust levels in
case he needs to press the TOGA button on the thrust lever in case of
a Go-Around etc.

If a novice or even a PPL pilot had to hand fly an airliner and land
it yes it would more than likely result in disaster but less likely
with the highly technical automation systems available today in the
Next Generation Boeings.

Ibby

Oh brother, Mx Jr.

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God man grow up. What do you think the point of an autopilot,
autolanding and autothrottle systems are for?? To make control of an
airliner easier for the flightcrew whether it an Airbus, Boeing and MD
and even a Cirus, Pipers etc. As a Cessna 152 has NONE of these
systems they have to be flown by hand and landed by hand. An airliner
does NOT HAVE to be hand flown - in REAL LIFE and RARELY is. Read
some books, watch some videos and wise up you lot. I was DEFENDING
the skill required in hand flying a light aircraft but it just seems
to literally 'fly' over a lot of heads here in your blindness for what
you are reading. There is nothing wrong with my previous post. I
know what is required in a real aircraft to control airspeed,
attitude, descents and climbs because I HAVE bloody flown a REAL
aircraft but in the UK you are not permitted to land or take off on
your first lesson which I was commenting on.

Ibby

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Really, and how was your landing?

I wasn't allowed to land on my first lesson and I would doubt anyone
is but I'm sure your hoping to compare my first lesson to how I, or a
complete novice with zero aircraft experience, would land a commercial
airliner. Landing a small Cessna 152 (with NO AUTOPILOT) requires
manual control of pitch and throttle to retain the required descent
rate and localiser following. Landing an airliner can all be done via
the Autoland system with the press of a few buttons. It doesn't have
to be done manually, you do NOT have to control the yoke or touch the
thrust levers until on the ground. MOST real life landings are done
with this method

??? Most?

Certainly not.

--
Duncan

*It doesn't have
to be done manually, you do NOT have to control the yoke or touch the
thrust levers until on the ground. *MOST real life landings are done
with this method

??? Most?

Certainly not.

--
Duncan

Duncan

So do YOU believe a pilot of a 737 or 747 hand flys an entire STAR
approach, captures the ILS localiser and glideslope, whilst keeping
critical control of his altitude and reducing airspeed and deployment
of flaps ALL by hand. Commercial pilots use the autopilot's approach
system at the very LEAST to get established on the localiser and
control the descent on the glideslope whilst they manually reduce the
desired speed (still under the autopilots autohrottle control) on the
Mode Control Panel

Watch this video of the final stages of a 747-400 approach and landing
into San Fransisco. This is a typical landing. The pilot
disconnected the autopilot at a few hundred feet but this aircraft and
runway 28L could have enabled him to perform a full autoland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ShBOtPiuNM

As you can clearly witness the majority of the input required by the
pilot to maintain flight, approach and landing is via the MCP on the
glareshield

Ibby


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