Sad day for Mxsmanic

Just go look it up! writes:

Which instantly and reinforces the fact that you know *nothing*
because even the PMDG and LDS simulations all include the automatic
disconnect which happens when enough force is excerted on the control
column, a-la what would happen when the pilots keel over on it, or
grab it to execute a TCAS commanded evasive manuver (obviously in
addition to the AP disco button).

What makes you believe that an incapacitated pilot would hit the yoke with
enough force to disengage the autopilot? "Airplane" is a Hollywood work of
fiction, not real life.

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:35:37 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Just go look it up! writes:

Which instantly and reinforces the fact that you know *nothing*
because even the PMDG and LDS simulations all include the automatic
disconnect which happens when enough force is excerted on the control
column, a-la what would happen when the pilots keel over on it, or
grab it to execute a TCAS commanded evasive manuver (obviously in
addition to the AP disco button).

What makes you believe that an incapacitated pilot would hit the yoke with
enough force to disengage the autopilot? "Airplane" is a Hollywood work of
fiction, not real life.

Because unlike you I've been there and know it only takes 15-20lb of
pressure to disconnect the autopilot? The postulated scenario is well
within reason that the system would have disconnected, "Airplane" or
not.

Hell, the theroy is that Eastern Airlines flight 401 crashed because
the Captain bumped the yoke while just turning to talk to the copilot
and didn't know he had changed modes. It happened.

You don't even understand the basics of the systems that you
supposedly simulate "just like real life" and come here and try and
tell real pilots who use this stuff day in and day out that you know
more than them, because playing MSFS is a suitable substitute for real
world experience and knoweldge? I knew it was a mistake to put an
expiration date on your entry in my killfile.

Just go look it up! writes:

Because unlike you I've been there and know it only takes 15-20lb of
pressure to disconnect the autopilot?

Why would incapacitated pilots be exerting pressure on the yoke?

You don't even understand the basics of the systems that you
supposedly simulate "just like real life" and come here and try and
tell real pilots who use this stuff day in and day out ...

Virtually nobody here uses this stuff day in and day out. Most of the pilots
here are low-time private pilots, although they might fancy themselves
captains of the sky.

... that you know more than them, because playing MSFS is a suitable
substitute for real world experience and knoweldge?

When it comes to airliner systems, it's a lot more informative than the
baseless speculation I'm seeing from tin-toy pilots here. And I add research
to that, which apparently is also a very rare practice among many posters
here.

You don't learn these systems by trial and error in the aircraft.

In article ,
says...



Why would incapacitated pilots be exerting pressure on the yoke?

Because they fell over on it. A well documented scenario in the real world.

Virtually nobody here uses this stuff day in and day out. Most of the pilots
here are low-time private pilots, although they might fancy themselves
captains of the sky.

Yes, by definition, they are. Once you become quualified and certificated and
assume control of an aircraft, you are pilot in command. What's really
disturbing is that there are people without any of the above qualificfations or
experience who consider themselves qualified to pass judgement. Such people are
potentially dangerous.

-b- writes:

Because they fell over on it. A well documented scenario in the real world.

Really? Incapacitated pilots who overcome a five-point harness and fall all
the way forward onto the yoke? Can you point me to some examples?

Yes, by definition, they are. Once you become quualified and certificated and
assume control of an aircraft, you are pilot in command.

Ho-hum.

What's really disturbing is that there are people without any of the
above qualificfations or experience who consider themselves qualified
to pass judgement.

Like aircraft engineers, you mean?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
-b- writes:

Because they fell over on it. A well documented scenario in the real
world.

Really? Incapacitated pilots who overcome a five-point harness and fall
all
the way forward onto the yoke? Can you point me to some examples?

Yes, by definition, they are. Once you become quualified and certificated
and
assume control of an aircraft, you are pilot in command.

Ho-hum.

What's really disturbing is that there are people without any of the
above qualificfations or experience who consider themselves qualified
to pass judgement.

Like aircraft engineers, you mean?

No, retarded, antisocial cave dwellers like yourself.

He was really quite clear, try to keep up.

On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:21:45 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

-b- writes:

Because they fell over on it. A well documented scenario in the real world.

Really? Incapacitated pilots who overcome a five-point harness and fall all
the way forward onto the yoke? Can you point me to some examples?

Except for the lap belt the rest of the 5 point harness is not
required except for takeoff, landing, and taxi. You don't sit in the
5 point harness for the entire flight. Falling forward onto the yoke
wouldn't be a big problem enroute.

For example of being unrestrained enroute would be the pilot who went
out the front window when it popped out due to improper maintenance:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9669582 60

Back to my killbox. You still just don't even want to do any of your
own thought or research.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Just go look it up! writes:

Because unlike you I've been there and know it only takes 15-20lb of
pressure to disconnect the autopilot?

Why would incapacitated pilots be exerting pressure on the yoke?

You don't even understand the basics of the systems that you
supposedly simulate "just like real life" and come here and try and
tell real pilots who use this stuff day in and day out ...

Virtually nobody here uses this stuff day in and day out. Most of the
pilots
here are low-time private pilots, although they might fancy themselves
captains of the sky.

... that you know more than them, because playing MSFS is a suitable
substitute for real world experience and knoweldge?

When it comes to airliner systems, it's a lot more informative than the
baseless speculation I'm seeing from tin-toy pilots here. And I add
research
to that, which apparently is also a very rare practice among many posters
here.

You don't learn these systems by trial and error in the aircraft.

Then why are you hear dumb ass. Do you think you come here to teach!

You're just the village retard.

Hell, the theroy is that Eastern Airlines flight 401 crashed because
the Captain bumped the yoke while just turning to talk to the copilot
and didn't know he had changed modes. *It happened.


I cannot see how you wouldn't know the autopilot has been disconnected
as there is a very loud audible warning when this occurs as well as a
warning master switch above the PFD that the pilot cannot miss on
737/747 aircraft and I'm sure Airbus have it too

Ibby

"Ibby" wrote in message
...

Hell, the theroy is that Eastern Airlines flight 401 crashed because
the Captain bumped the yoke while just turning to talk to the copilot
and didn't know he had changed modes. It happened.


I cannot see how you wouldn't know the autopilot has been disconnected
as there is a very loud audible warning when this occurs as well as a
warning master switch above the PFD that the pilot cannot miss on
737/747 aircraft and I'm sure Airbus have it too

Ibby

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Yeah, but you can't seem to see a lot of things, like reality for openers.