Sad day for Mxsmanic

So you admit your ignorance on the matter of autopilot disconnect. In other
words, your wonderful simulator is inadequate. Sorry 'bout that little boy.

I will post this again as it's NOT ignorance, it is REALITY.
Watch this clip - A REAL CLIP ON A REAL BOEING 747-400 NOT A GAME
4min 58 seconds the autopilot is disconnected by the pilot via a
button on his control column.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-TW...eature=channel

This group is pathetic, I was going to try give you guys a chance but
you lot argue against ANYTHING depending on the source of the comment.
I'm sure most of you have experience in general aviation but are there
any real commercial pilots on here that will back your arguements, not
against the good or bad aspects of a sim but back your comments about
what you lot believe happens on a real commercial flightdeck

Ibby

"Ibby" wrote in message news:aa4e0851-e0d5-4fb1-98dd-

Maybe you should take this back to the sim or game group. Perhaps it would
actually interest them.

On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 17:20:20 -0700 (PDT), Ibby
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So you admit your ignorance on the matter of autopilot disconnect. In other
words, your wonderful simulator is inadequate. Sorry 'bout that little boy.

I will post this again as it's NOT ignorance, it is REALITY.
Watch this clip - A REAL CLIP ON A REAL BOEING 747-400 NOT A GAME
4min 58 seconds the autopilot is disconnected by the pilot via a
button on his control column.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-TW...eature=channel

This group is pathetic, I was going to try give you guys a chance but
you lot argue against ANYTHING depending on the source of the comment.
I'm sure most of you have experience in general aviation but are there
any real commercial pilots on here that will back your arguements, not
against the good or bad aspects of a sim but back your comments about
what you lot believe happens on a real commercial flightdeck

Do you not understand that increasing the volume of alarms or
tweaking operating modes of autoflight systems after an accident
caused wouldn't be unusual?

Just go look it up! writes:

Do you not understand that increasing the volume of alarms or
tweaking operating modes of autoflight systems after an accident
caused wouldn't be unusual?

Boeing doesn't wait for accidents before installing alarms.

Ibby, if you want to respond to my comments about another person's ignorance
then perhaps you should try to understand the example.

You've clearly failed here and attempt to blame me for your failure. Bad form
to say the least.

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PPL here are saying that the autopilot has NO warning system when
disengaged because 'I' said it does on one post and that I couldn't
understand how the pilot of the reported accident wasn't aware he
accidently switched it off, and as 'I' use a sim 'I' haven't got a
bloody clue and am made out to be a LIAR.
The clip 'I' posted clearly shows on a REAL 747-400 aircraft that the
Autopilot DOES have a warning system when the autopilot is
disconnected. The 737 also has it and so do most airliners and a lot
of General Aviation aircraft too.

I give up with group. You make out we simmers have zero qualification
to speak about certain issues and I agree on some aspects. But
considering most of you lot are probably not commercial pilots either
then the same can be said for your responses when you start shouting
'we don't believe you because you play a game', even when video
evidence is posted before your eyes of real aircraft. Yes I may have
never set foot on a real flightdeck of an airliner, though I at least
have flown a real plane (unlike MX) but that does not mean I cannot
aquire the knowledge that I understand what will happen to the
aircraft if I push this button whilst flying with the autopilot.

One does NOT have to fully experience something physically to
understand how it works. A doctor does not have had to experience the
pains and traumas etc his patients perhaps have to understand what is
happening inside their bodies and how to remedy them. An astromoner
does NOT have to get inside the Space Shuttle and enter the deep
realms of space to understand about the planets and stars!!!!!!!

Goodbye

Ibby

"Ibby" wrote in message
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

In article ,
Clark wrote:

What is up with these MSFS freaks? Why on Earth do they think a game is
anything like the real world? The only logical explanation is that they have
no experience in the real world...

That's certainly part of it. Another big part, I think, is an inability
to view the world in anything but black and white.

Take the fellow's recent statement that physical sensations are useless
when flying. His "proof" was simple: you can't fly if you close your
eyes, so the sensations must be useless.

This, of course, makes no sense. They can be useful without being so
useful that they're all you need. But he sees things in black and white,
yes or no, one or zero, nothing in between.

Then we have the simulator. Well, MSFS *is* realistic to some degree. It
*is* useful to some degree. People use it to practice IFR procedures and
the like. Applying the absolutist argument here, and you can see how
MSFS is 100% accurate for everything that matters and anything you get
in the real world that's not found in MSFS is pointless or stupid anyway.

--
Mike Ash
Radio Free Earth
Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon

What is up with these MSFS freaks? Why on Earth do they think a game is
anything like the real world? The only logical explanation is that they have
no experience in the real world...

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As I have said my comments have absolutely NOTHING to do with a sim.
BOEING's autopilot system HAS and ALWAYS HAS given a warning sound and
very loudly when the autopilot system is disconnected.

This flight deck video is on a REAL 747, not a sim or game but
reality. At 4min 58seconds the autopilot IS disconnected and you
cannot miss the alarm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl-TW...eature=channel

Even your basic autopilot system on a Cessna gives a warning alarm

Ibby

"Ibby" wrote in message news:d1a8081d-1417-4547-927c-

You are really stuck on this warning bell thing. Have you had your hearing
tested lately?

You are really stuck on this warning bell thing. Have you had your hearing
tested lately?

Because that is one issue you lot said directly to myself was a LIE.
You lot made out that EVERYTHING we say is utter CRAP. I originally
questioned how I couldn't understand how the russian pilot failed to
notice the AP being switched off as I know from both the sim and
videos on real flightdecks that the Boeing 747 and 737's have them but
according to you lot THEY DONT because the 'desk pilot' says so. But
do I get an educated response saying 'well as we are only GA pilots
and also haven't physically flown a 747 you may be correct but this
particular Russian model didnt have an alarm' we just get a childish
'f@=k you'

Ibby