Sad day for Mxsmanic

"Ibby" wrote in message
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Really, and how was your landing?

I wasn't allowed to land on my first lesson and I would doubt anyone
is but I'm sure your hoping to compare my first lesson to how I, or a
complete novice with zero aircraft experience, would land a commercial
airliner. Landing a small Cessna 152 (with NO AUTOPILOT) requires
manual control of pitch and throttle to retain the required descent
rate and localiser following. Landing an airliner can all be done via
the Autoland system with the press of a few buttons. It doesn't have
to be done manually, you do NOT have to control the yoke or touch the
thrust levers until on the ground. MOST real life landings are done
with this method with the pilot perhaps only disconnecting the
autopilot and autothrottle systems a few hundred feet above ground
level when the aircraft is already established and configured for the
descent path i.e. descent rate, airspeed and lateral position. His
hands will of course remain on the control column and thrust levels in
case he needs to press the TOGA button on the thrust lever in case of
a Go-Around etc.

If a novice or even a PPL pilot had to hand fly an airliner and land
it yes it would more than likely result in disaster but less likely
with the highly technical automation systems available today in the
Next Generation Boeings.

Ibby

Oh brother, Mx Jr.

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God man grow up. What do you think the point of an autopilot,
autolanding and autothrottle systems are for?? To make control of an
airliner easier for the flightcrew whether it an Airbus, Boeing and MD
and even a Cirus, Pipers etc. As a Cessna 152 has NONE of these
systems they have to be flown by hand and landed by hand. An airliner
does NOT HAVE to be hand flown - in REAL LIFE and RARELY is. Read
some books, watch some videos and wise up you lot. I was DEFENDING
the skill required in hand flying a light aircraft but it just seems
to literally 'fly' over a lot of heads here in your blindness for what
you are reading. There is nothing wrong with my previous post. I
know what is required in a real aircraft to control airspeed,
attitude, descents and climbs because I HAVE bloody flown a REAL
aircraft but in the UK you are not permitted to land or take off on
your first lesson which I was commenting on.

Ibby

"Ibby" wrote in message
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You grow up dumb ass. Just exactly like MX, in your ignorance and
inexperience you missed the whole point.

You grow up dumb ass. Just exactly like MX, in your ignorance and
inexperience you missed the whole point.

So how can someone who HAS physically controlled a real aircraft (me)
be compared to MX who HASN'T controlled a real aircraft????????????

The Sim isn't perfect but it DOES teach (especially with commercial
addons) elements of flight and navigation. It helped me understand
what was required on my first flight in a Cessna 152.
Infact the REAL aircraft was EASIER to roll, pitch and trim than the
sim. If my comments are so stupid about landing an airliner then YOU
describe to ME the process involved in doing so!! Why do airports
have ILS's, why do they have DME etc, for navigation and automated
flight. Why does the FMC have a full SID STAR database if the pilot
was just going to hand fly them based on his charts? Do commercial
airlines use the autopilot - yes they do from 500ft after takeoff to
potential touchdown. An airline pilot would NEVER hand fly an entire
route from takeoff, cruise to landing as per your assumptions. Doing
so WOULD be very difficult and I'd freely give credit to a pilot that
could do it but they use all systems available to ease their workload
- FACT. Ask a REAL airline pilot, not a GA pilot. Infact ask them
too, if you have an autopilot on your aircraft - DO you use it and why
do you use it if not to make the flight easier? You hardly use it 'for
the challenge'

Ibby

Ibby writes:

So how can someone who HAS physically controlled a real aircraft (me)
be compared to MX who HASN'T controlled a real aircraft????????????

We both fail to kowtow before the treehouse club, and to the club members,
that's all that matters. Welcome to USENET.

If you must take sides, at least be sure to choose your friends carefully.

If you must take sides, at least be sure to choose your friends carefully.

I'm trying to defend aspects of the sim and made that very clear on my
original post and topic change.
It was a partial defense for your comments that simulated knowledge of
aircraft systems and locations of buttons and procedures does bear
accurate resemblance to that on the real flight deck.
My comments about personally having some flight experience is true but
as I like to sim as well 'I've been tarred with the same brush'

Most of these ppl on here 'have got it in for MSFS' because of your
continual 'I know best attitude' and lack of full and detailed
responses to counter their negative replies. Because of this ANY
comment made by ANY simmer means nothing!!!!!!!! I believe if
information has been cross referenced by many accurate sources then
it's deemed, by propabilities, to be true and doesn't physically have
to be experienced by oneself. Even if we got Oskar Wagner on here, a
REAL A320 pilot and a long time FSX fan, to write about what a REAL
Airbus does Maxwell and the rest of them would say CRAP, or bOB to
discuss rotaries. Even if they said the EXACT same as us it would
mean nothing. Dudley Henriques is a real pilot too and offers his
techical knowledge to software vendors as far as I'm aware of and
worked closely with the likes of RealAir - but again that means
nothing to these ppl. I'm sure there a more 'skeletons' in this
'closet' of a forum who keep quiet!!!!!!!!!!

I used to log into this group the odd time and now remember why I
stopped as it's all pathetic. I'm out of here!!!!!!!!!!!

Ibby

"Ibby" wrote in message
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If you must take sides, at least be sure to choose your friends
carefully.

I'm trying to defend aspects of the sim and made that very clear on my
original post and topic change.
It was a partial defense for your comments that simulated knowledge of
aircraft systems and locations of buttons and procedures does bear
accurate resemblance to that on the real flight deck.


You two need to get a room.

Ibby writes:

Most of these ppl on here 'have got it in for MSFS' because of your
continual 'I know best attitude' and lack of full and detailed
responses to counter their negative replies.

No. Pilots who engage in knee-jerk dismissals of simulation were doing that
long before I was around. I've seen it frequently in conversations in which I
didn't even participate. Some pilots are just very insecure about anything
that might diminish the prestige they believe that real flying has.

Dudley Henriques is a real pilot too and offers his
techical knowledge to software vendors as far as I'm aware of and
worked closely with the likes of RealAir - but again that means
nothing to these ppl.

I note that Dudley has a far more balanced view of simulation than some of the
more rabid, low-time, small-aircraft pilots on this newsgroup.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Ibby writes:

So how can someone who HAS physically controlled a real aircraft (me)
be compared to MX who HASN'T controlled a real aircraft????????????

We both fail to kowtow before the treehouse club, and to the club members,
that's all that matters. Welcome to USENET.

If you must take sides, at least be sure to choose your friends carefully.

No, because you are both inexperience and have bad attitudes.

"Ibby" wrote in message
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You grow up dumb ass. Just exactly like MX, in your ignorance and
inexperience you missed the whole point.

So how can someone who HAS physically controlled a real aircraft (me)
be compared to MX who HASN'T controlled a real aircraft????????????

You attitude and insistence on arguing things you clearly don't understand.