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to be done manually, you do NOT have to control the yoke or touch the thrust levers until on the ground. *MOST real life landings are done with this method ??? Most? Certainly not. -- Duncan Duncan So do YOU believe a pilot of a 737 or 747 hand flys an entire STAR approach, captures the ILS localiser and glideslope, whilst keeping critical control of his altitude and reducing airspeed and deployment of flaps ALL by hand. Commercial pilots use the autopilot's approach system at the very LEAST to get established on the localiser and control the descent on the glideslope whilst they manually reduce the desired speed (still under the autopilots autohrottle control) on the Mode Control Panel Watch this video of the final stages of a 747-400 approach and landing into San Fransisco. This is a typical landing. The pilot disconnected the autopilot at a few hundred feet but this aircraft and runway 28L could have enabled him to perform a full autoland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ShBOtPiuNM As you can clearly witness the majority of the input required by the pilot to maintain flight, approach and landing is via the MCP on the glareshield Ibby Ibby |
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![]() Relevance? (we're (you *were) talking autolands, not approaches or even cruise flight). -- Duncan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This all stems from earlier posts here on whether a NOVICE pilot during an emergency could control an aircraft and successfully land it. The aircraft on this video did have an assigned STAR but has been vectored to intercept the ILS localiser. The P.I.C. is NOT flying the 747, he is simply adjusting the MCP knobs and switches on the glareshield During an emergency a novice could do the exact same under the guidance of ATC. With autoland enabled and a certified runway he wouldnt have to touch the yoke or throttle at all. Other pilots here believe an airliner MUST be handflown on finals just because their automation systems do not offer the same capablilities of the 747-400. Yes some carriers request pilots to disengage the autopilot and autothottle system on final and hand fly the remaining 500 feet descent but it doesn't have to be done |
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On Mar 9, 4:53*pm, Ibby wrote:
Relevance? (we're (you *were) talking autolands, not approaches or even cruise flight). -- Duncan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This all stems from earlier posts here on whether a NOVICE pilot during an emergency could control an aircraft and successfully land it. The aircraft on this video did have an assigned STAR but has been vectored to intercept the ILS localiser. *The P.I.C. is NOT flying the 747, he is simply adjusting the MCP knobs and switches on the glareshield During an emergency a novice could do the exact same under the guidance of ATC. *With autoland enabled and a certified runway he wouldnt have to touch the yoke or throttle at all. Other pilots here believe an airliner MUST be handflown on finals just because their automation systems do not offer the same capablilities of the 747-400. *Yes some carriers request pilots to disengage the autopilot and autothottle system on final and hand fly the remaining 500 feet descent but it doesn't have to be done I watched the real time adjustments during the approach, and have serious doubts that someone alone in the cockpit with over the radio instuctions could in fact do what the crew did, even if that person had sim experience. In the world of psychology studies regarding open- loop instruction systems have shown them to be very error prone. It would take someone very good at giving blinded verbal instructions to pull it off. Read what happened in something I just posted about an F18 pilot being given instructions on bringing his bird home in San Diego -- hardly inexperienced, and yet the result was a deadly crash. The claim being made here is someone with zero real experience would fare better. I'd not bet on that. The good news is, there are no bets to be made. It's an experiment not being done. |
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a writes:
I watched the real time adjustments during the approach, and have serious doubts that someone alone in the cockpit with over the radio instuctions could in fact do what the crew did, even if that person had sim experience. Any intelligent person could do it with or without sim experience. And remember, these aircraft can be flown by one person in a pinch. In the world of psychology studies regarding open- loop instruction systems have shown them to be very error prone. It would take someone very good at giving blinded verbal instructions to pull it off. With someone good at following them, and someone good at giving them, things would work out. Read what happened in something I just posted about an F18 pilot being given instructions on bringing his bird home in San Diego -- hardly inexperienced, and yet the result was a deadly crash. He was in training. |
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![]() "Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... a writes: You delusion continues. |
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On Mar 9, 5:33*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
a writes: I watched the real time adjustments during the approach, and have serious doubts that someone alone in the cockpit with over the radio instuctions could in fact do what the crew did, even if that person had sim experience. Any intelligent person could do it with or without sim experience. *And remember, these aircraft can be flown by one person in a pinch. In the world of psychology studies regarding open- loop instruction systems have shown them to be very error prone. It would take someone very good at giving blinded verbal instructions to pull it off. With someone good at following them, and someone good at giving them, things would work out. Read what happened in something I just posted about an F18 pilot being given instructions on bringing his bird home in San Diego -- hardly inexperienced, and yet the result was a deadly crash. He was in training. He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people died. Is the connection too obscure for you? |
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In article df56c4f0-02b3-45b8-9331-
, says... Relevance? (we're (you *were) talking autolands, not approaches or even cruise flight). -- Duncan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - This all stems from earlier posts here on whether a NOVICE pilot during an emergency could control an aircraft and successfully land it. It does not! It stems from YOUR post that "MOST landing are autolands". They are not. -- Duncan |
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![]() "Ibby" wrote in message ... During an emergency a novice could do the exact same under the guidance of ATC. With autoland enabled and a certified runway he wouldnt have to touch the yoke or throttle at all. Other pilots here believe an airliner MUST be handflown on finals just because their automation systems do not offer the same capablilities of the 747-400. Yes some carriers request pilots to disengage the autopilot and autothottle system on final and hand fly the remaining 500 feet descent but it doesn't have to be done --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carry on my wayward son, you powers of imagination are quickly surpassing Mx. |
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