[OT] USA - TSA Obstructing Armed Pilots?

"Gord Beaman" ) wrote in
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Jim Yanik wrote:


Why would pilots be firing TOWARDS the windscreen? The attackers would
be coming from the REAR of the plane.Armed pilots would be firing
REARWARDS.They certainly aren't going to wait until the hijackers are
fully IN the cockpit.


Jim, you appear to think that pilots are the only people who know
how to operate pistols. Why would that be now?. Could it be that
you've never heard of 'smuggling a gun aboard' or even 'an inside
job'??. My my!...
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-Gord.

Sure,guns can be smuggled aboard;I've even posted examples of guns brought
aboard by mistake by people,and by a US Federal official leaving their gun
on their seat and deplaning.But the debate was/is about armed PILOTS,and
comments made about -them- firing forwards.

If another hijacking does occur using guns,it probably -will- be an "inside
job",IMO. But in that case,only an armed pilot will be capable of defending
the cockpit.All the other security methods will have been rendered useless
then.

One other thing;are any "crash axes" available in the passenger
compartment? Or solely in the cockpit? (WRT commercial flights)

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Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Jim Yanik
blurted out:


One other thing;are any "crash axes" available in the passenger
compartment? Or solely in the cockpit? (WRT commercial flights)

Cockpit only...and ours are very sharp.

Juvat

Juvat wrote in
:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Jim Yanik
blurted out:


One other thing;are any "crash axes" available in the passenger
compartment? Or solely in the cockpit? (WRT commercial flights)

Cockpit only...and ours are very sharp.

Juvat



And once it gets stuck in (or held by)the first hijacker,it's useless for
any others. Miss,and you don't get another try.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Jim Yanik
blurted out:

And once it gets stuck in (or held by)the first hijacker,it's useless for
any others. Miss,and you don't get another try.

Guess you're not aware that before 9/11 the blade on a crash ax was
pretty damn dull. THAT was the point (so to speak).

Be that as it may...do you have any familiarity with the current
status of cockpit doors, security zones of the doors, VID procedures,
deadbolts and electric locks on these doors?

All these procedures and hardware are useless if crews **** up and
think, "it can't happen to me."

Juvat

"Juvat" wrote...

Guess you're not aware that before 9/11 the blade on a crash ax was
pretty damn dull. THAT was the point (so to speak).

Not a problem. After all, you don't really want to CUT anything with it -- you
want to SMASH something (i.e., the hijacker's skull) with it. Sharp doesn't
matter when the point is well under a square inch, and you attain significant
velocity with it...

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
news:JPjJb.43203$xX.154941@attbi_s02...
"Juvat" wrote...

Guess you're not aware that before 9/11 the blade on a crash ax was
pretty damn dull. THAT was the point (so to speak).

Not a problem. After all, you don't really want to CUT anything with
it -- you
want to SMASH something (i.e., the hijacker's skull) with it. Sharp
doesn't
matter when the point is well under a square inch, and you attain
significant
velocity with it...

Now all we need is a pilot's course on pushing the ax, as opposed to
swinging it.

Jim Yanik wrote:

If another hijacking does occur using guns,it probably -will- be an "inside
job",IMO. But in that case,only an armed pilot will be capable of defending
the cockpit.All the other security methods will have been rendered useless
then.


??
How does a bad guy (even holding a gun) get through a secure
cockpit door?...that's a silly statement Jim.

One other thing;are any "crash axes" available in the passenger
compartment? Or solely in the cockpit? (WRT commercial flights)

In military a/c yes, in civil airliners, I doubt it.
--

-Gord.

"Gord Beaman" ) wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:

If another hijacking does occur using guns,it probably -will- be an
"inside job",IMO. But in that case,only an armed pilot will be capable
of defending the cockpit.All the other security methods will have been
rendered useless then.


??
How does a bad guy (even holding a gun) get through a secure
cockpit door?...that's a silly statement Jim.

Doors get opened during flight for various reasons.Even 'secure' ones.
The reinforced cockpit doors alread have two examples of them being
breached.(cleaning crew using a beverage cart as a ram.)
An unruly passenger also kicked his way partly thru one,IIRC.(that guy got
the crash axe!)
There's more than one way to open a door. Det cord could have also been
smuggled aboard,if guns have been.

One other thing;are any "crash axes" available in the passenger
compartment? Or solely in the cockpit? (WRT commercial flights)

In military a/c yes, in civil airliners, I doubt it.
--

-Gord.




--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net