Sad day for Mxsmanic

On Mar 9, 5:33*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
a writes:
I watched the real time adjustments during the approach, and have
serious doubts that someone alone in the cockpit with over the radio
instuctions could in fact do what the crew did, even if that person
had sim experience.

Any intelligent person could do it with or without sim experience. *And
remember, these aircraft can be flown by one person in a pinch.

In the world of psychology studies regarding open-
loop instruction systems have shown them to be very error prone. It
would take someone very good at giving blinded verbal instructions to
pull it off.

With someone good at following them, and someone good at giving them, things
would work out.

Read what happened in something I just posted about an F18 pilot being
given instructions on bringing his bird home in San Diego -- hardly
inexperienced, and yet the result was a deadly crash.

He was in training.

He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people
died. Is the connection too obscure for you?

a writes:

He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people
died. Is the connection too obscure for you?

No, he was not getting expert instructions. He already knew how to fly the
plane, and nobody was telling him how to do so over the radio. The
instructions concerned other matters, such as which airport would be the best
choice for landing.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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a writes:

He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people
died. Is the connection too obscure for you?

No, he was not getting expert instructions. He already knew how to fly
the
plane, and nobody was telling him how to do so over the radio. The
instructions concerned other matters, such as which airport would be the
best
choice for landing.

How would you know, you have never flown anything but a desk.

On Mar 10, 8:25*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
a writes:
He was geting 'expert' instructions over the radio, and still people
died. Is the connection too obscure for you?

No, he was not getting expert instructions. *He already knew how to fly the
plane, and nobody was telling him how to do so over the radio. *The
instructions concerned other matters, such as which airport would be the best
choice for landing.

Your view of expert instructions is very limited. Why not read the
release completely, then tell me which of those who were giving him
advice were not expert?

The point I am making, and this crash demonstrates it, is even when
someone knows enough and has been trained in a given airplane, he or
she can get into trouble, and expert advice from the ground was unable
to resolve the matter. Your claim is that someone with MSFS experience
without actual cockpit time could do better, with the assumption that
a qualified expert -- more expert than the F18 instructors that were
used in this case in any event -- could be found.

Oh well, you've waltzed around this maypole often enough, and you are
clearly getting the attention on line that you seem to need.
Congratulations.

a writes:

Your view of expert instructions is very limited. Why not read the
release completely, then tell me which of those who were giving him
advice were not expert?

I have. I don't know if they were experts or not, but they were not giving
expert instruction, certainly not expert instruction in piloting.

The point I am making, and this crash demonstrates it, is even when
someone knows enough and has been trained in a given airplane, he or
she can get into trouble, and expert advice from the ground was unable
to resolve the matter. Your claim is that someone with MSFS experience
without actual cockpit time could do better, with the assumption that
a qualified expert -- more expert than the F18 instructors that were
used in this case in any event -- could be found.

In the scenario I've discussed, there's nothing wrong with the aircraft.
Abnormal procedures can stump even the best pilots, but in a normally
functioning airliner, anyone can land it with the automation available. If the
only problem is incapacitation of the pilots, the outlook for a safe landing
is quite good.

On Mar 10, 12:01*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
a writes:
Your view of expert instructions is very limited. Why not read the
release completely, then tell me which of those who were giving him
advice were not expert?

I have. *I don't know if they were experts or not, but they were not giving
expert instruction, certainly not expert instruction in piloting.

The point I am making, and this crash demonstrates it, is even when
someone knows enough and has been trained in a given airplane, he or
she can get into trouble, and expert advice from the ground was unable
to resolve the matter. Your claim is that someone with MSFS experience
without actual cockpit time could do better, with the assumption that
a qualified expert -- more expert than the F18 instructors that were
used in this case in any event -- could be found.

In the scenario I've discussed, there's nothing wrong with the aircraft.
Abnormal procedures can stump even the best pilots, but in a normally
functioning airliner, anyone can land it with the automation available. If the
only problem is incapacitation of the pilots, the outlook for a safe landing
is quite good.

As I've pointed out, you've won, you've gotten the on line attention
you seek.