TSA & MTJ Montrose

It looks like it is true. Here's the meeting notice.
http://www.montroseairport.com/image...tification.pdf

There's a thread over at the AOPA forums, but still, it doesn't have the
explosive anger the subject deserves. There is an independent post there
that confirms the letter that started this thread.
http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.php?t=52546

My guess is that there are two factors involved here limiting participation:
First was the recent Washington ADIZ issue where over 20,000 comments
were received. The FAA spat in our faces, just ignored them all and
implemented what they wanted. I'll bet the same thing will happen with
the 4,600 comments on the LASP rule.

Second is that too many pilots figure it won't affect them. That's
wrong, since here withing easy flying distance from central Conn. are
many airports with commercial service: New Haven, Martha's Vineyard,
Nantucket, Albany, White Plains, Hanscom, Worcester, Windsor Locks,
Hyannis, Block Island, Westerly.
It looks like the ol' divide and conquer. It won't be long before GPS
tracking will be required for every vehicle on land, water or air.

AOPA legal services won't be of help if you get caught violating these
unknown rules either, since the so-called infraction didn't happen while
flying and wasn't issued by the FAA.

A new web site is being created www.aviatorsforliberty.com /.org

Paul


Tim Hickey wrote:
I am shocked by the situation as represented in the story about the
new TSA regulations.
And I am surprised that there has not been a flurry of messages on
this group decrying the situation.
I hope that the story is not true, and that someone is pulling our
collective leg, ...

"Paul Dow (Remove CAPS in address)" wrote:
My guess is that there are two factors involved here limiting
participation: First was the recent Washington ADIZ issue where over
20,000 comments were received. The FAA spat in our faces, just ignored
them all and implemented what they wanted. I'll bet the same thing
will happen with the 4,600 comments on the LASP rule.

Just a minor note: I believe the LASP regs came out of the TSA, not the
FAA, and the TSA was designed to spit in the public's face. All for the
public's own protection, you know.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Paul Dow (Remove CAPS in address)" wrote:
My guess is that there are two factors involved here limiting
participation: First was the recent Washington ADIZ issue where over
20,000 comments were received. The FAA spat in our faces, just ignored
them all and implemented what they wanted. I'll bet the same thing
will happen with the 4,600 comments on the LASP rule.

Just a minor note: I believe the LASP regs came out of the TSA, not the
FAA, and the TSA was designed to spit in the public's face. All for the
public's own protection, you know.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm getting very tired of
having to fight the public figures that are trying to erode my freedoms.
I've recently attended a meeting with the USFS about new restrictions. Last
night a meeting with a water district that may be planning a water system
that will ruin my personal well. I had a battle with the county building
department over a purported flood zone that was pushed by FEMA. Hell I
would love it if we could have any surface water flowing here. It hasn't
occurred in the last 75 years.
NRA wants money to fight, AOPA wants money to fight, Ron Paul wants money to
fight. Taxpayer's Association, etc. etc. I have tunnel carpal syndrome from
sending e-mails protesting the steadily reduction of my freedoms.
Now gun control, this ridiculous TSA idea, Homeland Security etc. etc.
Constantly increasing bureacratic interference that tends to be arrogant and
does not answer to the public. Hell yes they can spit in your face. What
are you going to do about it? You can't even vote them out of office. They
get us one at a time.
All that said, it seems impossible to get the people organized to stand up
and say: "ENOUGH". I don't know just how much it is going to take to get
people of their duffs and stop this "tightening of the noose".

Stu

Oh, it's starting. The Tea Party protests are starting to catch on.

http://www.newamericanteaparty.com
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/03/10...alt-continued/

The trick is going to be keeping up the momentum.

Stuart Fields wrote:
All that said, it seems impossible to get the people organized to stand up
and say: "ENOUGH". I don't know just how much it is going to take to get
people of their duffs and stop this "tightening of the noose".

"Paul Dow (Remove CAPS in address)" wrote in message ...
Oh, it's starting. The Tea Party protests are starting to catch on.

http://www.newamericanteaparty.com
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/03/10...alt-continued/

The trick is going to be keeping up the momentum.

Stuart Fields wrote:
All that said, it seems impossible to get the people organized to stand up
and say: "ENOUGH". I don't know just how much it is going to take to get
people of their duffs and stop this "tightening of the noose".

Mo

Subject: tea party


There's a storm abrewin'. What happens when good, responsible people keep
quiet? Washington has forgotten they work for us... We don't work for them.
Throwing good money after bad is NOT the answer. I am sick of the midnight,
closed door sessions to come up with a plan. I am sick of Congress raking
CEO's over the coals while they, themselves, have defaulted on their taxes.
I am sick of the bailed out companies having lavish vacations and retreats
on my dollar. I am sick of being told it is MY responsibility to rescue
people that, knowingly, bought more house than they could afford. I am sick
of being made to feel it is my patriotic duty to pay MORE taxes. I, like
all of you, am a responsible citizen. I pay my taxes. I live on a budget
and I don't ask someone else to carry the burden for poor decisions I may
make. I have emailed my congressmen and senators asking them to NOT vote
for the stimulus package as it was written without reading it first. No one
listened. They voted for it, pork and all.

O.K. folks, here it is. You may think you are just one voice and what you
think won't make a difference. Well, yes it will and YES, WE CAN!! If you
are disgusted and angry with the way Washington is handling our taxes. If
you are fearful of the fallout from the wreckless spending of BILLIONS to
bailout and "stimulate" without accountability and responsibility then we
need to become ONE, LOUD VOICE THAT CAN BE HEARD FROM EVERY CITY, TOWN,
SUBURB AND HOME IN AMERICA . There is a growing protest to demand that
Congress, the President and his cabinet LISTEN to us, the American Citizens.
What is being done in Washington is NOT the way to handle the economic free
fall.

So, here's the plan. On April 1, 2009, all Ameicans are asked to send a
TEABAG to Washington , D.C. You do not have to enclose a note or any other
information unless you so desire. Just a TEABAG. Many cities are
organizing protests. If you simply search, "New American Tea Party",
several sites will come up. If you aren't the 'protester' type, simply make
your one voice heard with a TEABAG. Your one voice will become a roar when
joined with millions of others that feel the same way. Yes, something needs
to be done but the lack of confidence as shown by the steady decline in the
stock market speaks volumes.

This was not my idea. I visited the sites of the 'New American Tea Party's
and an online survey showed over 90% of thousands said they would send the
teabag on April 1. Why, April 1?? We want them to reach Washington by
April 15. Will you do it? I will.

Send it to; 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington , D.C. 20500 .

Forward this to everyone in your address book. Visit the website below for
more information about the 'New American Tea Party'. I would encourage
everyone to go ahead and get the envelope ready to mail, then just drop it
in the mail April 1. Can't guarantee what the postage will be by then, it
is going up as we speak, but have your envelope ready. What will this cost
you? A little time and a 40 something cent stamp.

What could you receive in benefits? Maybe, just maybe, our elected
officials will start to listen to the people. Take out the Pork. Tell us
how the money is being spent. We want TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
Remember, the money will be spent over the next 4-5 years. It is not too
late..

Of course, if you agree with the way things are being done now, just
delete!!!!!

--
John McCarty

On Mar 10, 7:24*pm, "Dan D" wrote:


So, here's the plan. *On April 1, 2009, all Ameicans are asked to send a
TEABAG to Washington , D.C. *

Make it a USED tea bag. No point in wasting any more money on "them".
==========================
Leon McAtee

On Mar 10, 7:24*pm, "Dan D" wrote:
"Paul Dow (Remove CAPS in address)" wrote in ...

Oh, it's starting. The Tea Party protests are starting to catch on.

http://www.newamericanteaparty.com
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/03/10...alt-continued/

The trick is going to be keeping up the momentum.

Stuart Fields wrote:
All that said, it seems impossible to get the people organized to stand up
and say: *"ENOUGH". *I don't know just how much it is going to take to get
people of their duffs and stop this "tightening of the noose".

Mo

Subject: tea party

*There's a storm abrewin'. *What happens when good, responsible people keep
quiet? * Washington has forgotten they work for us... *We don't work for them.
Throwing good money after bad is NOT the answer. *I am sick of the midnight,
closed door sessions to come up with a plan. *I am sick of Congress raking
CEO's over the coals while they, themselves, have defaulted on their taxes.
I am sick of the bailed out companies having lavish vacations and retreats
on my dollar. *I am sick of being told it is MY responsibility to rescue
people that, knowingly, bought more house than they could afford. *I am sick
of being made to feel it is my patriotic duty to pay MORE taxes. *I, like
all of you, am a responsible citizen. *I pay my taxes. *I live on a budget
and I don't ask someone else to carry the burden for poor decisions I may
make. *I have emailed my congressmen and senators asking them to NOT vote
for the stimulus package as it was written without reading it first. *No one
listened. *They voted for it, pork and all.

O.K. folks, here it is. *You may think you are just one voice and what you
think won't make a difference. *Well, yes it will and YES, WE CAN!! * If you
are disgusted and angry with the way Washington is handling our taxes. *If
you are fearful of the fallout from the wreckless spending of BILLIONS to
bailout and "stimulate" without accountability and responsibility then we
need to become ONE, LOUD VOICE THAT CAN BE HEARD FROM EVERY CITY, TOWN,
SUBURB AND HOME IN AMERICA . * There is a growing protest to demand that
Congress, the President and his cabinet LISTEN to us, the American Citizens.
What is being done in Washington is NOT the way to handle the economic free
fall.

So, here's the plan. *On April 1, 2009, all Ameicans are asked to send a
TEABAG to Washington , D.C. * You do not have to enclose a note or any other
information unless you so desire. *Just a TEABAG. * Many cities are
organizing protests. *If you simply search, "New American Tea Party",
several sites will come up. *If you aren't the 'protester' type, simply make
your one voice heard with a TEABAG. *Your one voice will become a roar when
joined with millions of others that feel the same way. *Yes, something needs
to be done but the lack of confidence as shown by the steady decline in the
stock market speaks volumes.

This was not my idea. *I visited the sites of the 'New American Tea Party's
and an online survey showed over 90% of thousands said they would send the
teabag on April 1. *Why, April 1?? *We want them to reach Washington by
April 15. * Will you do it? *I will.

Send it to; * *1600 Pennsylvania Ave. * * *Washington , D.C. 20500 .

Forward this to everyone in your address book. *Visit the website below for
more information about the 'New American Tea Party'. *I would encourage
everyone to go ahead and get the envelope ready to mail, then just drop it
in the mail April 1. *Can't guarantee what the postage will be by then, it
is going up as we speak, but have your envelope ready. *What will this cost
you? *A little time and a 40 something cent stamp.

What could you receive in benefits? *Maybe, just maybe, our elected
officials will start to listen to the people. *Take out the Pork. *Tell us
how the money is being spent. *We want TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
Remember, the money will be spent over the next 4-5 years. *It is not too
late..

Of course, if you agree with the way things are being done now, just
delete!!!!!

--
John McCarty


I would add a note:
No taxation with mis-representation.

wrote in message
...
On Mar 10, 7:24 pm, "Dan D" wrote:
"Paul Dow (Remove CAPS in address)" wrote in
...

Oh, it's starting. The Tea Party protests are starting to catch on.

http://www.newamericanteaparty.com
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/03/10...alt-continued/

The trick is going to be keeping up the momentum.

Stuart Fields wrote:
All that said, it seems impossible to get the people organized to stand
up
and say: "ENOUGH". I don't know just how much it is going to take to
get
people of their duffs and stop this "tightening of the noose".

Mo

Subject: tea party

There's a storm abrewin'. What happens when good, responsible people keep
quiet? Washington has forgotten they work for us... We don't work for
them.
Throwing good money after bad is NOT the answer. I am sick of the
midnight,
closed door sessions to come up with a plan. I am sick of Congress raking
CEO's over the coals while they, themselves, have defaulted on their
taxes.
I am sick of the bailed out companies having lavish vacations and retreats
on my dollar. I am sick of being told it is MY responsibility to rescue
people that, knowingly, bought more house than they could afford. I am
sick
of being made to feel it is my patriotic duty to pay MORE taxes. I, like
all of you, am a responsible citizen. I pay my taxes. I live on a budget
and I don't ask someone else to carry the burden for poor decisions I may
make. I have emailed my congressmen and senators asking them to NOT vote
for the stimulus package as it was written without reading it first. No
one
listened. They voted for it, pork and all.

O.K. folks, here it is. You may think you are just one voice and what you
think won't make a difference. Well, yes it will and YES, WE CAN!! If you
are disgusted and angry with the way Washington is handling our taxes. If
you are fearful of the fallout from the wreckless spending of BILLIONS to
bailout and "stimulate" without accountability and responsibility then we
need to become ONE, LOUD VOICE THAT CAN BE HEARD FROM EVERY CITY, TOWN,
SUBURB AND HOME IN AMERICA . There is a growing protest to demand that
Congress, the President and his cabinet LISTEN to us, the American
Citizens.
What is being done in Washington is NOT the way to handle the economic
free
fall.

So, here's the plan. On April 1, 2009, all Ameicans are asked to send a
TEABAG to Washington , D.C. You do not have to enclose a note or any other
information unless you so desire. Just a TEABAG. Many cities are
organizing protests. If you simply search, "New American Tea Party",
several sites will come up. If you aren't the 'protester' type, simply
make
your one voice heard with a TEABAG. Your one voice will become a roar when
joined with millions of others that feel the same way. Yes, something
needs
to be done but the lack of confidence as shown by the steady decline in
the
stock market speaks volumes.

This was not my idea. I visited the sites of the 'New American Tea Party's
and an online survey showed over 90% of thousands said they would send the
teabag on April 1. Why, April 1?? We want them to reach Washington by
April 15. Will you do it? I will.

Send it to; 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington , D.C. 20500 .

Forward this to everyone in your address book. Visit the website below for
more information about the 'New American Tea Party'. I would encourage
everyone to go ahead and get the envelope ready to mail, then just drop it
in the mail April 1. Can't guarantee what the postage will be by then, it
is going up as we speak, but have your envelope ready. What will this cost
you? A little time and a 40 something cent stamp.

What could you receive in benefits? Maybe, just maybe, our elected
officials will start to listen to the people. Take out the Pork. Tell us
how the money is being spent. We want TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
Remember, the money will be spent over the next 4-5 years. It is not too
late..

Of course, if you agree with the way things are being done now, just
delete!!!!!

--
John McCarty


I would add a note:
No taxation with mis-representation.
Some arguments have been put forth that if you don't know what you want you
Tea Bag to say, you are wasting your time. I don't entirely agree with this
but I've put my Tea Bag message in to more concrete suggestions:
Well Ed we have hired some people to do the job of governing. We don't know
all the ins and out of that job any more than we know the details on the
proper running of the police force or the fire department or the Microsoft
Software designers. We do know when we don't like their results.

My Tea Bag will ask for Smaller Government. Sample Get Rid of FEMA. They
waste more money and cause more problems than they solve. I've got numerous
examples of personal experience. Stop the War on Drugs. It isn't working.
Get rid of TSA as this is just generating bureaucrats who generate rules and
regulations and aren't being held accountable to the people. Have the
"Representatives" read the book "Uncle Sam's Plantation". Stop and think
about the normal governmental problem solving technique called "Throw some
Money at it". Either get rid of GAO or get some people in there who know
what they are doing and insist on competency. They audited my group to see
if it was needed and their technique was to measure the volume of our file
cabinets! Clamp down on DoD. I'm watching a project where I know the
principals and they have chosen a more expensive path with a reduced
probability of success because they really don't have any technical
oversight, and it is "Spend it or lose it". This is small spuds dollar
wise, only a few $M, but the principles being followed in this process
permeate a bunch of the DoD projects. BTW I was in a position where I made
presentations to Army Strategic Defense Commander (Star Wars) and indeed
took the Star Wars Chief Scientist for a sail on my boat. I saw appalling
waste and technical incompetence that was allowed to continue. The larger
government is breeding this condition.

Stop the foreign policy where we insist on everybody else adopting our way
of life. Quit trying to be the world's policeman. Stop the outflow of cash
to foreign countries and use it on our roads and bridges. Again have the
foreign policy people read the "Uncle Sam's Plantation". Again it is a
small potato dollar wise, but Project Head Start sent $1M to the Republic of
the Marshall Islands. When we left, that $1M had disappeared and there was
not a single brick sticking up out of the ground.

Any time you get a group of people together to do a job and the group's
continued existence doesn't depend on their competency, you have a high
probability of the group's degenerating into the kinds of things we see in
government. Arrogance, incompetence and a primary goal of increasing the
size for the purpose of acquiring more power.

Bailouts. Let companies who don't perform fail. We need penalties for
lousy performance. Yes there are short term pains to experience, but if we
don't let them fail but bail them out we have created a lousy precedent
which will shape our future. Again read "Uncle Sam's Plantation". If we
keep focusing on the relatively small dollar value of the pork and ignoring
the process that not only supports the pork, but enables larger and more
inefficient spending to occur, then we are headed for more trouble.

Yes I know what I want my Tea Bag to say.