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Old March 10th 09, 03:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Mike the Strike
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Default motorgliders as towplanes

I observed a 100HP Lambada equipped with 13m wings being used as a
towplane in the 2000 Worlds in South Africa. It seemed to perform
very well despite the moderate density altitude. They were launching
from an asphalt runway and the ground acceleration was slower than
most other towplanes, but once airborne no difference was notable.

The Lambada and similar modern motorgliders are very light (300kg) -
nearly half the weight of the older designs, such as the Grob 109 -
and perform very well.

I have flown a Grob 109 and it had enough trouble getting itself into
the air. The Lambada also handles a lot better than the older heavy
beasts and is a joy to fly.

Mike

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Old March 10th 09, 04:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
bildan
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On Mar 10, 9:56*am, Mike the Strike wrote:
I observed a 100HP Lambada equipped with 13m wings being used as a
towplane in the 2000 Worlds in South Africa. *It seemed to perform
very well despite the moderate density altitude. *They were launching
from an asphalt runway and the ground acceleration was slower than
most other towplanes, but once airborne no difference was notable.

The Lambada and similar modern motorgliders are very light (300kg) -
nearly half the weight of the older designs, such as the Grob 109 -
and perform very well.

I have flown a Grob 109 and it had enough trouble getting itself into
the air. *The Lambada also handles a lot better than the older heavy
beasts and is a joy to fly.

Mike


What the Lambada's towing performance at less than 1320 pounds gross
suggests to me is that the US Sport Light Aircraft regulations offer
the possibility of a formidable tug.

The Lambada's aerodynamics are great but 80 - 100 HP is inadequate for
heavy 2-seaters and ballasted singles. 135Hp or so combined with a
propeller optimized for max thrust below 60 knots would make a huge
difference. Aerodynamics doesn't count for much below takeoff speed -
there it's all weight, engine and propeller.
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Old March 10th 09, 05:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Big Wings
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The G109B Turbo with constant speed prop. is a different beast altogether
with much more power and climbing capability.


I have flown a Grob 109 and it had enough trouble getting itself into
the air. =A0The Lambada also handles a lot better than the older heavy
beasts and is a joy to fly.


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Old March 11th 09, 07:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Ian[_2_]
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:56:47 -0700, Mike the Strike wrote:

I observed a 100HP Lambada equipped with 13m wings being used as a
towplane in the 2000 Worlds in South Africa. It seemed to perform very
well despite the moderate density altitude. They were launching from an
asphalt runway and the ground acceleration was slower than most other
towplanes, but once airborne no difference was notable.


I think you mean the Samba, sibling of the Lambada. This has a a shorter
wing + extensions to bring it to 12m. These have been used by a number of
clubs in South Afria and a Samba was also used for a number of years at
Gariep Dam (towing everything up to ASH 25's).

Some of the feedback I heard from the Gariep operation:

- The short wings result in a bit more drag, which is a problem with
marginal tows. But their are no aileron extensions on the wing extensions
so in long wing configuration it lacks aileron authority for good control
in strong weather.

- That Samba had a manually adjusted variable pitch prop. The pilot spent
a lot of effort adjusting the prop during the take off run and the tow to
get the most out of it. They also tried an electric auto variable pitch
prop but the electric motor burnt out very quickly.

The Lambada and similar modern motorgliders are very light (300kg) -
nearly half the weight of the older designs


This can also be a problem if the glider gets out of position on tow. A/T
training might get quite uncomfortable.

I did some research into M/G tugging a few years ago and put together
some notes. You can read them at

http://www.zsd.co.za/ian/gliding/cgc...gs/mgtugs.html

and some feedback from tow tests that we did at our club.

http://www.zsd.co.za/ian/gliding/cgc.../towtests.html

We never bought the Samba mentioned in the 2nd article. In hindsight I
think we made the right choice as the airframe of the Samba is just too
light and fragile to survive getting "clubbed".

But later we bought a 2nd hand 80 HP Rotax Falke. We had it equipped with
a tow hook, and did a few tows with it. We have a long hard runway near
sea level. The 80HP was fine with single seaters but not safe with two
seaters so we stopped using it for towing. (But we do use it for
training.)

Now we have just up-graded it 100HP and fitted a tugging fixed pitch
prop. We are optimistic this will make it a useful tug. In a year's time
I might be able to give some more feedback.

The Falke is much heavier, more robust and easier to fly then the Samba.
It has already stood up well to a few years of club abuse. But the tow
performance is going to be less than that of the Samba.

(In the meantime we have no plans to sell our 180 HP Super Cub tow plane
and there is still lots of training work for the Motor Glider to do.)

Turbochargers and variable pitch props help make up for the lack of
displacement of the Rotax 4 stroke. But they both add complexity and
costs which might not work out well in a club environment. Perhaps one
day someone will persuade Jabiru to water cool their 120HP motor. That
should make the basis of a decent M/G tug.


Ian
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Old March 11th 09, 08:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Mike the Strike
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You're right - it was the Samba, the Lambada's cousin. I witnessed
several launches there, including some ballasted ships and none of
them looked scary, although ground run was long.

I'm a great believer in towplane mass and power - my all time favorite
is the 600 HP AgCat.

Mike
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Old March 12th 09, 08:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Peter Wyld[_2_]
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At 20:28 11 March 2009, Mike the Strike wrote:
You're right - it was the Samba, the Lambada's cousin. I witnessed
several launches there, including some ballasted ships and none of
them looked scary, although ground run was long.

I'm a great believer in towplane mass and power - my all time favorite
is the 600 HP AgCat.

Mike


Long ? About 3km available on the northerly run and 1.4 south!
The Samba didn't need anything like that. It is still being used for
towing at Gariep and other places.
Its launch rate was only a little less than the other tugs used (C182's
mostly). It might have been entertaining if he had been towing the Nimbus
3 with brakes open instead of a C182 (which was only just climbing!).
 




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