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I observed a 100HP Lambada equipped with 13m wings being used as a
towplane in the 2000 Worlds in South Africa. It seemed to perform very well despite the moderate density altitude. They were launching from an asphalt runway and the ground acceleration was slower than most other towplanes, but once airborne no difference was notable. The Lambada and similar modern motorgliders are very light (300kg) - nearly half the weight of the older designs, such as the Grob 109 - and perform very well. I have flown a Grob 109 and it had enough trouble getting itself into the air. The Lambada also handles a lot better than the older heavy beasts and is a joy to fly. Mike |
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On Mar 10, 9:56*am, Mike the Strike wrote:
I observed a 100HP Lambada equipped with 13m wings being used as a towplane in the 2000 Worlds in South Africa. *It seemed to perform very well despite the moderate density altitude. *They were launching from an asphalt runway and the ground acceleration was slower than most other towplanes, but once airborne no difference was notable. The Lambada and similar modern motorgliders are very light (300kg) - nearly half the weight of the older designs, such as the Grob 109 - and perform very well. I have flown a Grob 109 and it had enough trouble getting itself into the air. *The Lambada also handles a lot better than the older heavy beasts and is a joy to fly. Mike What the Lambada's towing performance at less than 1320 pounds gross suggests to me is that the US Sport Light Aircraft regulations offer the possibility of a formidable tug. The Lambada's aerodynamics are great but 80 - 100 HP is inadequate for heavy 2-seaters and ballasted singles. 135Hp or so combined with a propeller optimized for max thrust below 60 knots would make a huge difference. Aerodynamics doesn't count for much below takeoff speed - there it's all weight, engine and propeller. |
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The G109B Turbo with constant speed prop. is a different beast altogether
with much more power and climbing capability. I have flown a Grob 109 and it had enough trouble getting itself into the air. =A0The Lambada also handles a lot better than the older heavy beasts and is a joy to fly. |
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:56:47 -0700, Mike the Strike wrote:
I observed a 100HP Lambada equipped with 13m wings being used as a towplane in the 2000 Worlds in South Africa. It seemed to perform very well despite the moderate density altitude. They were launching from an asphalt runway and the ground acceleration was slower than most other towplanes, but once airborne no difference was notable. I think you mean the Samba, sibling of the Lambada. This has a a shorter wing + extensions to bring it to 12m. These have been used by a number of clubs in South Afria and a Samba was also used for a number of years at Gariep Dam (towing everything up to ASH 25's). Some of the feedback I heard from the Gariep operation: - The short wings result in a bit more drag, which is a problem with marginal tows. But their are no aileron extensions on the wing extensions so in long wing configuration it lacks aileron authority for good control in strong weather. - That Samba had a manually adjusted variable pitch prop. The pilot spent a lot of effort adjusting the prop during the take off run and the tow to get the most out of it. They also tried an electric auto variable pitch prop but the electric motor burnt out very quickly. The Lambada and similar modern motorgliders are very light (300kg) - nearly half the weight of the older designs This can also be a problem if the glider gets out of position on tow. A/T training might get quite uncomfortable. I did some research into M/G tugging a few years ago and put together some notes. You can read them at http://www.zsd.co.za/ian/gliding/cgc...gs/mgtugs.html and some feedback from tow tests that we did at our club. http://www.zsd.co.za/ian/gliding/cgc.../towtests.html We never bought the Samba mentioned in the 2nd article. In hindsight I think we made the right choice as the airframe of the Samba is just too light and fragile to survive getting "clubbed". But later we bought a 2nd hand 80 HP Rotax Falke. We had it equipped with a tow hook, and did a few tows with it. We have a long hard runway near sea level. The 80HP was fine with single seaters but not safe with two seaters so we stopped using it for towing. (But we do use it for training.) Now we have just up-graded it 100HP and fitted a tugging fixed pitch prop. We are optimistic this will make it a useful tug. In a year's time I might be able to give some more feedback. The Falke is much heavier, more robust and easier to fly then the Samba. It has already stood up well to a few years of club abuse. But the tow performance is going to be less than that of the Samba. (In the meantime we have no plans to sell our 180 HP Super Cub tow plane and there is still lots of training work for the Motor Glider to do.) Turbochargers and variable pitch props help make up for the lack of displacement of the Rotax 4 stroke. But they both add complexity and costs which might not work out well in a club environment. Perhaps one day someone will persuade Jabiru to water cool their 120HP motor. That should make the basis of a decent M/G tug. Ian |
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You're right - it was the Samba, the Lambada's cousin. I witnessed
several launches there, including some ballasted ships and none of them looked scary, although ground run was long. I'm a great believer in towplane mass and power - my all time favorite is the 600 HP AgCat. Mike |
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At 20:28 11 March 2009, Mike the Strike wrote:
You're right - it was the Samba, the Lambada's cousin. I witnessed several launches there, including some ballasted ships and none of them looked scary, although ground run was long. I'm a great believer in towplane mass and power - my all time favorite is the 600 HP AgCat. Mike Long ? About 3km available on the northerly run and 1.4 south! The Samba didn't need anything like that. It is still being used for towing at Gariep and other places. Its launch rate was only a little less than the other tugs used (C182's mostly). It might have been entertaining if he had been towing the Nimbus 3 with brakes open instead of a C182 (which was only just climbing!). |
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