How long until current 'stealth' techniques are compromised?

The detection systems alone do not render stealth aircraft useless...
but link it to the German anti-stealth seeking missile and it is an
effective counter.

But who needs missiles?
You dont even need exotic weapons like EM missiles,a multi static system
designed to detect stealth platforms might be turned into a "kill" system
instantly if you can keep frequencies and phases of several powerful emitters
under control,a kind of poor mans HPM weapon.

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The detection systems alone do not render stealth aircraft useless...
but link it to the German anti-stealth seeking missile and it is an
effective counter.

But who needs missiles?
You dont even need exotic weapons like EM missiles,a multi static system
designed to detect stealth platforms might be turned into a "kill" system
instantly if you can keep frequencies and phases of several powerful emitters
under control,a kind of poor mans HPM weapon.

Yes, you are talking about a theoretical ADW "aerial denial weapon"
that would knock aircraft out of the sky without knocking out powered
systems on the ground.
Trouble is, like the German situation in WW2, you would have to drop
such a weapon ABOVE the attacking force. German fighters did this near
the end of the war. Instead of fighting bombers traditionally, they
climbed above them and bombed them!
But US and coalition aircraft strikes today are seldom that
concentrated; rather, they operate in waves of aircraft or pockets. A
ground system would be better but then presents itself as a priority
target to knock out. Second problem would be the power required to
sustain these emitters.
The EADS anti-stealth missile has a multiple seeker system that is
initially launched into the path of the stealth aircraft. As it closes
rapidly it starts looking visually for the aircraft while sniffing out
the exhaust with the plume detector. Once located no manner of
aircraft defensive aids would prevent the missile from striking.

Rob

Yes, you are talking about a theoretical ADW "aerial denial weapon"
that would knock aircraft out of the sky without knocking out powered
systems on the ground.

Actually I was talking about something much different.
Lets consider a multi static system using hundreds or thousands of commercial
emitters and only a dozen or so powerful dedicated military emitters.If you can
detect and track a stealth platform (or any platform) , these military emitters
could be used as frequency and phase controlled combined devices to produce
much higher levels of energy at the target area.
Problem is phase locking but seemingly solved.
Such a device will not be able to engage targets at exotic ranges,wont be able
to recover GW or TW levels energy at target like EM Missilles and they are
strictly line sight type devices, but they will severely degrade the any
adversaries ability to attack.
And most importantly they are very cheap in comparison to "real" HPM weapons.

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(Denyav) wrote:

But who needs missiles?
You dont even need exotic weapons like EM missiles,a multi static system
designed to detect stealth platforms might be turned into a "kill" system
instantly if you can keep frequencies and phases of several powerful emitters
under control,a kind of poor mans HPM weapon.

....after you increase their output by a few orders of magnitude.

Not going to happen.

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..after you increase their output by a few orders of magnitude.

Not going to happen.

If you can keep the frequencies AND phases under control,then you have no
problem.

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(Denyav) wrote:

..after you increase their output by a few orders of magnitude.

Not going to happen.

If you can keep the frequencies AND phases under control,then you have no
problem.

Which, of course, you can't, with a large number of commercial emitters.

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