Turnpoint File Management

On Mar 29, 11:36*am, Tuno wrote:
Erik,

You're not using the CAI for navigation, right? The only reason you'd
need turnpoints in there is for electronic declarations for badges and
record attempts. So for those, just put in the ones you need for that
purpose.

What do you use for navigation?

2NO

What can I say... I'm old-fashioned (read: Cheap). Yeah, the primary
NAV in P3 is the Model 20 communicating to an old Compaq Aero running
GNII. I want the primary declaration to be in the Model 20 along
with all of the landing points within the triangular task area. The
EW will be the "dumb" backup with an exact duplicate of the
declaration.

What I was hoping someone would say is "Oh sure, there's an option in
SeeYou mysteriously hidden under some non-intutitive submenu to
'select waypoints within task area'". I can dream...

I do know a brute force way around this, but i'd prefer not to have to
semi-manually go in and pick the landpoints.

On Mar 29, 10:02*am, Papa3 wrote:
What can I say... I'm old-fashioned (read: Cheap). *Yeah, the primary
NAV in P3 is the Model 20 communicating to an old Compaq Aero running
GNII. * I want the primary declaration to be in the Model 20 along
with all of the landing points within the triangular task area.

You still don't need to have any waypoints in the Model 20. I used to
have a setup like that in my old ship and had a whole lot more than
250 waypoints in the Aero, and none in the '20. When I'd declare a
task in GNII, it would upload the needed waypoints into the Model 20.

That was back in 2000, so my memory might be a bit foggy, but an
pretty sure that's how I did it.

-Tom

Erik, you're on to the right way of doing it. Don't rely on a PDA to
remain connected to the logger. They can fail, and also pilot errors
such as finding as you load up the glider that you left the PDA at
home are not unheard of.
(Such foolishness could be a reason I always have a panel-mounted GPS
display too.)
Jim

On Mar 29, 3:53*pm, 5Z wrote:
On Mar 29, 10:02*am, Papa3 wrote:

What can I say... I'm old-fashioned (read: Cheap). *Yeah, the primary
NAV in P3 is the Model 20 communicating to an old Compaq Aero running
GNII. * I want the primary declaration to be in the Model 20 along
with all of the landing points within the triangular task area.

You still don't need to have any waypoints in the Model 20. *I used to
have a setup like that in my old ship and had a whole lot more than
250 waypoints in the Aero, and none in the '20. *When I'd declare a
task in GNII, it would upload the needed waypoints into the Model 20.

That was back in 2000, so my memory might be a bit foggy, but an
pretty sure that's how I did it.

-Tom

Hi Tom,

Yes and no. It will load the points. However, it can be a "creaky"
solution. I had at least one record flight squished when I went to
load special use airspace after the task had been declared. I did
this in flight, and sure enough, it tried to reload all of the
waypoints but stopped at 250. Unfortunately, one of the ones
required for the task wasn't there, and it then threw some sort of
"invalid task" error. I just want to make sure that I have one and
only one file to use and that everthing is nice and neat before
takeoff.

Frankly, I'm doing this out of an "excess of caution", as I will make
sure that the backup logger and main logger have the same task
declarations, and it's a flight I can fly without really needing the
PDA.

P3

Papa3 wrote:


Frankly, I'm doing this out of an "excess of caution", as I will make
sure that the backup logger and main logger have the same task
declarations, and it's a flight I can fly without really needing the
PDA.

Are you allowed to have two declarations? Or do you need a paper
declaration if you want to use more than one logger?

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
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* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

On Mar 30, 3:56*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Papa3 wrote:

Frankly, I'm doing this out of an "excess of caution", as I will make
sure that the backup logger and main logger have the same task
declarations, and it's a flight I can fly without really needing the
PDA.

Are you allowed to have two declarations? Or do you need a paper
declaration if you want to use more than one logger?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

Yes and no. The answer in SC3C (OO Guide) is as follows:

Where more than one FR is carried, each one must be checked to ensure
the last declaration made
before take-off is applied to the flight. This may be an electronic or
a written declaration, whichever is
closest to the take-off time. (Note the timing warning given in para
7.4.) Some pilots may prefer to
make a written declaration even though carrying a flight recorder or
recorders to avoid making electronic
changes at a busy period before take-off. Pilots would be well advised
to prepare and use a
declaration form that ensures that all the required data required is
included. (See SC3 4.1 and sample
form in Appendix 10 in this Annex).

So, you obviously can't have two different courses declared in
different FRs and then pick the one that you end up flying. However,
it's up to the OO to look at both loggers to make sure this doesn't
happen. Now, if, for example, I had made the declaration on the
Cambridge Model 20 before flight but accidentally tromped on it in
flight, then it would no longer be "the last declaration made before
takeoff" in which case my read is that the backup would then contain
the official declaration. Unless I had made a written declaration
which is time stamped after the one on the backup.

I (almost always) do a written declaration as well, since my trust in
all things electronic is less than iron-clad. However, since the
last FR declaration before takeoff is official, I do want to make sure
that the chances of a screw-up are minimized.

P3

On Mar 30, 5:36*pm, Papa3 wrote:
On Mar 30, 3:56*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:





Papa3 wrote:

Frankly, I'm doing this out of an "excess of caution", as I will make
sure that the backup logger and main logger have the same task
declarations, and it's a flight I can fly without really needing the
PDA.

Are you allowed to have two declarations? Or do you need a paper
declaration if you want to use more than one logger?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org

Yes and no. * The answer in SC3C (OO Guide) is as follows:

Where more than one FR is carried, each one must be checked to ensure
the last declaration made
before take-off is applied to the flight. This may be an electronic or
a written declaration, whichever is
closest to the take-off time. (Note the timing warning given in para
7.4.) Some pilots may prefer to
make a written declaration even though carrying a flight recorder or
recorders to avoid making electronic
changes at a busy period before take-off. Pilots would be well advised
to prepare and use a
declaration form that ensures that all the required data required is
included. (See SC3 4.1 and sample
form in Appendix 10 in this Annex).

So, you obviously can't have two different courses declared in
different FRs and then pick the one that you end up flying. *However,
it's up to the OO to look at both loggers to make sure this doesn't
happen. * *Now, if, for example, I had made the declaration on the
Cambridge Model 20 before flight but accidentally tromped on it in
flight, then it would no longer be "the last declaration made before
takeoff" in which case my read is that the backup would then contain
the official declaration. * Unless I had made a written declaration
which is time stamped after the one on the backup.

I (almost always) do a written declaration as well, since my trust in
all things electronic is less than iron-clad. * However, since the
last FR declaration before takeoff is official, I do want to make sure
that the chances of a screw-up are minimized.

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