Gliderport Fined $9,000 over Use of 123.3Mhz

I pulled this from the FCC website:

Licensing

On October 25, 1996, the FCC released a Report and Order in WT Docket
No. 96-82 (text) eliminating the individual licensing requirement for
all aircraft, including scheduled air carriers, air taxis and general
aviation aircraft operating domestically. This means that you do not
need a license to operate a two-way VHF radio, radar, or emergency
locator transmitter (ELT) aboard aircraft operating domestically.

I guess TSA must have a base station. I am not sure what type of
license is needed for hand-held radios.
Someone should contact TSA and find out the details.

On Jun 25, 5:52*pm, "r.t.s." wrote:
I pulled this from the FCC website:

Licensing

On October 25, 1996, the FCC released a Report and Order in WT Docket
No. 96-82 (text) eliminating the individual licensing requirement for
all aircraft, including scheduled air carriers, air taxis and general
aviation aircraft operating domestically. This means that you do not
need a license to operate a two-way VHF radio, radar, or emergency
locator transmitter (ELT) aboard aircraft operating domestically.

I guess TSA must have a base station. *I am *not sure what type of
license is needed for hand-held radios.
Someone should contact TSA and find out the details.

Did you read the link provided? That's a lot of details already. They
unfortunately made two mistakes, the first was not renewing the
license, the second of which was right up there with the Pegase owner
asking the FAA about airframe hours and inspections. I think there is
a moral here about not asking government bureaucracies for help unless
you know your ass is well covered.

Information on base station licensing and handhelds etc. is all
documented on the FCC web site. e.g.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...craft_stations

To operate a handheld or car mounted mobile etc. outside an aircraft,
e.g. by a glider ground crew, you need the same license as TSA did not
renew i.e. a Ground Station Authorization for Aviation Support
Services. I was goign to start a submission for a handheld to see how
painful that was on the FCC ULS website, but it's down for nightly
maintenance... (I presume the only justification for how bad ULS is as
a Web application is the development went to the lowest bidder).


Darryl

Does anyone know what the Fee is for the 10yr FCC certificate application
for a base station or mobile mount?

"Darryl Ramm" wrote in message
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On Jun 25, 5:52 pm, "r.t.s." wrote:
I pulled this from the FCC website:

Licensing

On October 25, 1996, the FCC released a Report and Order in WT Docket
No. 96-82 (text) eliminating the individual licensing requirement for
all aircraft, including scheduled air carriers, air taxis and general
aviation aircraft operating domestically. This means that you do not
need a license to operate a two-way VHF radio, radar, or emergency
locator transmitter (ELT) aboard aircraft operating domestically.

I guess TSA must have a base station. I am not sure what type of
license is needed for hand-held radios.
Someone should contact TSA and find out the details.

Did you read the link provided? That's a lot of details already. They
unfortunately made two mistakes, the first was not renewing the
license, the second of which was right up there with the Pegase owner
asking the FAA about airframe hours and inspections. I think there is
a moral here about not asking government bureaucracies for help unless
you know your ass is well covered.

Information on base station licensing and handhelds etc. is all
documented on the FCC web site. e.g.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...craft_stations

To operate a handheld or car mounted mobile etc. outside an aircraft,
e.g. by a glider ground crew, you need the same license as TSA did not
renew i.e. a Ground Station Authorization for Aviation Support
Services. I was goign to start a submission for a handheld to see how
painful that was on the FCC ULS website, but it's down for nightly
maintenance... (I presume the only justification for how bad ULS is as
a Web application is the development went to the lowest bidder).


Darryl

On Jun 27, 4:18*pm, "BT" wrote:
Does anyone know what the Fee is for the 10yr FCC certificate application
for a base station or mobile mount?

[snip]

Or handheld or *any* air-band radio used outside a registered domestic
aircraft the 10 year fee is

$215.00
$115.00 for non-profit

All that info and more is a click or two from the URL I gave before.

Sign up on the FCC web site and get an "FRN" (FCC Registraion Number)
so you can use the online ULS (Universal Licensing System) for online
licensing.

Again start at http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...craft_stations

While I like to complain about ULS it is better than snail mail.

Darryl

One of our members checked with the FCC on whether we need to license
our handhelds (used by the club for operations) as we don't have a
base station.

The working on the FCC web site says, "You are required to have a
separate Ground Station license to operate your radio on the ground."
It doesn't make a distinction between handheld or base station, only
that it is being operated on the ground (versus the air). There must
be a division of responsibility between the FAA and FCC on operating a
radio in the air versus on the ground.

Anyway, from our club's standpoint we need to renew our license and
are working on that. But from my personal standpoint, do I need a
license to use my handheld on the ground? How about a radio in a
chase vehicle? I suppose I am a much more difficult target to hit
than a fixed base operator.

My $0.02.

- John DeRosa

You can search for your license status at
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/LicA...rchLicense.jsp.

Sorry for the multiple posts. Just found this at;
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...round_stations.
Note that gliders are specifically mentioned.

"Aviation support stations are airborne and ground stations used for
pilot training, soaring (with gliders), or free ballooning."

Now, what does that mean?

- John

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About Ground Stations


The FCC regulates the Aviation Services in cooperation with the
Federal Aviation Administration. Wherever aviation services are
provided in US territory, both FAA and FCC requirements must be met by
anyone who uses aviation radio. The FCC authorizes different types of
aviation ground stations for air-to-ground operations. Flight safety
is the primary purpose of all Aviation Services.

Aeronautical and Fixed ServiceAeronautical advisory stations, also
called Unicom stations, are land stations used for advising pilots of
private aircraft about local airport conditions. They are not used to
control aircraft in flight.

Aeronautical multicom stations provide communications between private
aircraft and a ground facility for temporary, seasonal, or emergency
activities like crop dusting, livestock herding, forest firefighting,
aerial advertising, parachute jumping, etc. In some cases, multicom
stations may be authorized to serve as unicom stations.

Aeronautical enroute stations are used by aircraft owners or operators
for operational control and flight management of their aircraft. They
have access to these stations by cooperative arrangement, but any
pilot with a flight emergency may use these stations without prior
agreement.

Flight test stations are airborne and ground stations used only to
pass information or instructions concerning tests of aircraft or
airborne components.

Aviation support stations are airborne and ground stations used for
pilot training, soaring (with gliders), or free ballooning.

Airport control tower stationsprovide all necessary communications
between an airport control tower and all arriving and departing
aircraft. They are used to maintain an efficient flow of traffic for
aircraft taxiing, landing, and takeoff and for all vehicle movement on
the airfield. For vehicle movement on the airfield, airport control
tower stations communicate with aeronautical utility mobile stations

Automatic weather observation stations provide updated weather
broadcasts for a specific landing area.

Aviation Auxiliary GroupAeronautical search and rescue stations are
used for air-to-ground communications during actual or practice search
and rescue operations, or for search and rescue training.

Aeronautical utility mobile stations are installed in vehicles that
provide maintenance, fire and crash protection, freight handling, or
other group support normally under control tower direction at an
airport. They are used for both operational and emergency
communications.