Looking for Advice..

majortom546 wrote

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
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majortom546 wrote

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

Technically true, but annecdotal evidence suggests that the distinction has
been blurred by individuals and agencies treating both as licenses and
enforcing them as such.

Peter

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
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snip
I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

Hello Bob,
with respect,
The OP did not indicate their country of concern, in Canada at least (and I
suspect many others) the correct term (and spelling) is Licence.

PPL = Private pilot Licence (class = aeroplane or other)
CPL = Commercial Pilot Licence - aeroplane
ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot Licence - aeroplane
GPL = Glider Pilot Licence
BPL = Balloon Pilot Licence

Other Pilot Permits are available -
Student Pilot Permit
Gyroplane Pilot Permit
Ultra-light Aeroplane Pilot Permit
RPP = Recreational Pilot Permit - Aeroplane
Recreational Pilot Permit - Helicopter

Other available Licences cover -
Flight Engineers
Air Traffic Controllers
Aircraft Maintenance Engineers

In addition there are many additional ratings covering
Night
VFR OTT
Instrument
Second Officer
Passenger carrying (ultralight)
Flight Instructor
other Classes
Types
Floats

Link to CARs (Canadian Aviation Regulations)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re.../cars/menu.htm
Part IV - Personnel Licensing and Training subpart 1
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re...4/subpart1.htm
has a list and training requirements for the various licences and permits.

I agree there can be major differences between a Licence (or License) and a
Certificate or a Permit. AFAIK, Permits are not valid or recognized outside
of their country of issue. I do not fully understand the difference in the
USA between a License (correct spelling in US usage?) and a Certificate. I
would appreciate enlightenment.

Happy landings,

On Jun 26, 1:51*pm, "Private" wrote:
"Robert Moore" wrote in message

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snip

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP *CFI
PanAm (retired)

Hello Bob,
with respect,
The OP did not indicate their country of concern, in Canada at least (and I
suspect many others) the correct term (and spelling) is Licence.

PPL = Private pilot Licence (class = aeroplane or other)
CPL = Commercial Pilot Licence - aeroplane
ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot Licence - aeroplane
GPL = Glider Pilot Licence
BPL = Balloon Pilot Licence

Other Pilot Permits are available -
Student Pilot Permit
Gyroplane Pilot Permit
Ultra-light Aeroplane Pilot Permit
RPP = Recreational Pilot Permit - Aeroplane
Recreational Pilot Permit - Helicopter

Other available Licences cover -
Flight Engineers
Air Traffic Controllers
Aircraft Maintenance Engineers

In addition there are many additional ratings covering
Night
VFR OTT
Instrument
Second Officer
Passenger carrying (ultralight)
Flight Instructor
other Classes
Types
Floats

Link to CARs (Canadian Aviation Regulations)http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re.../cars/menu.htm
Part IV - Personnel Licensing and Training subpart 1http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/regserv/affairs/cars/part4/subpart1...
has a list and training requirements for the various licences and permits..

I agree there can be major differences between a Licence (or License) and a
Certificate or a Permit. *AFAIK, Permits are not valid or recognized outside
of their country of issue. *I do not fully understand the difference in the
USA between a License (correct spelling in US usage?) *and a Certificate. *I
would appreciate enlightenment.

Happy landings,

It's been a very minor but aggravating issue with flight instructors
dealing with the FAA T crossers and i dotters for years here in the
states if that helps. A CFI is technically a Certificated Flight
Instructor, but there are a virtual ton of CFI's who refer to
themselves on almost every occasion as CERTIFIED Flight Instructors.
I did it myself for many years, even signed log books this way. Never
had a problem with it until discovering Usenet :-)
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:
A CFI is technically a Certificated Flight
Instructor, but there are a virtual ton of CFI's who refer to
themselves on almost every occasion as CERTIFIED Flight Instructors.
I did it myself for many years, even signed log books this way. Never
had a problem with it until discovering Usenet :-)

While I suppose there may be some minor technical issues with log book
signing, I personally don't see any problems with CFIs using CFI to mean
"Certified Flight Instructor." It's not like the FAA has a trademark on the
acronym. Besides, here are several definitions of "certified,"
"certificated," and "certifiable" lifted straight from the web that show
how little difference there really is between them:

Certified:

Adj: "holding appropriate documentation and officially on record as
qualified to perform a specified function or practice a specified skill"

Adj: "endorsed authoritatively as having met certain requirements"

Certificated:

Adj: "furnished with or authorized by a certificate"

Certifiable:

Adj: "fit to be certified as insane (and treated accordingly)"

All seem equally applicable to CFIs!
;-)

On Jun 26, 7:54*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
A CFI is technically a Certificated Flight
Instructor, but there are a virtual ton of CFI's who refer to
themselves on almost every occasion as CERTIFIED Flight Instructors.
I did it myself for many years, even signed log books this way. Never
had a problem with it until discovering Usenet :-)

While I suppose there may be some minor technical issues with log book
signing, I personally don't see any problems with CFIs using CFI to mean
"Certified Flight Instructor." It's not like the FAA has a trademark on the
acronym. Besides, here are several definitions of "certified,"
"certificated," and "certifiable" lifted straight from the web that show
how little difference there really is between them:

Certified:

Adj: "holding appropriate documentation and officially on record as
qualified to perform a specified function or practice a specified skill"

Adj: "endorsed authoritatively as having met certain requirements"

Certificated:

Adj: "furnished with or authorized by a certificate"

Certifiable:

Adj: "fit to be certified as insane (and treated accordingly)"

All seem equally applicable to CFIs!
;-)

Based on these definitions, and after a quick consultation with my
wife, I think I can state flatly that I am FULLY qualified as a
certifiable flight instructor.
:-)

DH

In article
,
Dudley Henriques wrote:

On Jun 26, 7:54*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
A CFI is technically a Certificated Flight
Instructor, but there are a virtual ton of CFI's who refer to
themselves on almost every occasion as CERTIFIED Flight Instructors.
I did it myself for many years, even signed log books this way. Never
had a problem with it until discovering Usenet :-)

While I suppose there may be some minor technical issues with log book
signing, I personally don't see any problems with CFIs using CFI to mean
"Certified Flight Instructor." It's not like the FAA has a trademark on the
acronym. Besides, here are several definitions of "certified,"
"certificated," and "certifiable" lifted straight from the web that show
how little difference there really is between them:

Certified:

Adj: "holding appropriate documentation and officially on record as
qualified to perform a specified function or practice a specified skill"

Adj: "endorsed authoritatively as having met certain requirements"

Certificated:

Adj: "furnished with or authorized by a certificate"

Certifiable:

Adj: "fit to be certified as insane (and treated accordingly)"

All seem equally applicable to CFIs!
;-)

Based on these definitions, and after a quick consultation with my
wife, I think I can state flatly that I am FULLY qualified as a
certifiable flight instructor.
:-)

DH

Is she hinting that you're getting behind on the mowing?

On Jun 26, 8:26*pm, Steve Hix
wrote:
In article
,
*Dudley Henriques wrote:



On Jun 26, 7:54*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
A CFI is technically a Certificated Flight
Instructor, but there are a virtual ton of CFI's who refer to
themselves on almost every occasion as CERTIFIED Flight Instructors..
I did it myself for many years, even signed log books this way. Never
had a problem with it until discovering Usenet :-)

While I suppose there may be some minor technical issues with log book
signing, I personally don't see any problems with CFIs using CFI to mean
"Certified Flight Instructor." It's not like the FAA has a trademark on the
acronym. Besides, here are several definitions of "certified,"
"certificated," and "certifiable" lifted straight from the web that show
how little difference there really is between them:

Certified:

Adj: "holding appropriate documentation and officially on record as
qualified to perform a specified function or practice a specified skill"

Adj: "endorsed authoritatively as having met certain requirements"

Certificated:

Adj: "furnished with or authorized by a certificate"

Certifiable:

Adj: "fit to be certified as insane (and treated accordingly)"

All seem equally applicable to CFIs!
;-)

Based on these definitions, and after a quick consultation with my
wife, I think I can state flatly that I am FULLY qualified as a
certifiable flight instructor.
:-)

DH

Is she hinting that you're getting behind on the mowing?

That one comes more as a Ninja attack than a "hint" :-))
-DH

Robert Moore wrote:
majortom546 wrote

* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Private Pilot
License.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn an Instrument Rating.
* Student will satisfy all requirements to earn a Commercial Pilot
License.

I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

Some European licensing authorities call 'em licences.

Brian W

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
5.250...
snip
I would be somewhat leery of any educational institution that calls a
pilot "certificate" a "license".

There are major differences between the two.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

Hello Bob,
with respect,
The OP did not indicate their country of concern, in Canada at least (and I
suspect many others) the correct term (and spelling) is Licence.

PPL = Private pilot Licence (class = aeroplane or other)
CPL = Commercial Pilot Licence - aeroplane
ATPL = Airline Transport Pilot Licence - aeroplane
GPL = Glider Pilot Licence
BPL = Balloon Pilot Licence

Other Pilot Permits are available -
Student Pilot Permit
Gyroplane Pilot Permit
Ultra-light Aeroplane Pilot Permit
RPP = Recreational Pilot Permit - Aeroplane
Recreational Pilot Permit - Helicopter

Other available Licences cover -
Flight Engineers
Air Traffic Controllers
Aircraft Maintenance Engineers

In addition there are many additional ratings covering
Night
VFR OTT
Instrument
Second Officer
Passenger carrying (ultralight)
Flight Instructor
other Classes
Types
Floats

Link to CARs (Canadian Aviation Regulations)
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re.../cars/menu.htm
Part IV - Personnel Licensing and Training subpart 1
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/re...4/subpart1.htm
has a list and training requirements for the various licences and permits.

I agree there can be major differences between a Licence (or License) and a
Certificate or a Permit. AFAIK, Permits are not valid or recognized outside
of their country of issue. I do not fully understand the difference in the
USA between a License (correct spelling in US usage?) and a Certificate. I
would appreciate enlightenment.

Happy landings,