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At 01:07 14 July 2009, bildan wrote:
This is just more rabble rousing. You know the answer, you've seen the data from winches in your own country. Seeing tension oscillate by 80% of the tension limits is very scary and it does lead to problems including wire and weak link breaks. You actually begged me once not to publish the tension charts or even mention the problem. (I saved the e-mail in case you deny it.) I have a LOT more tension charts - really ugly ones. You don't want me to publish them either. All the current winches are priced within a few thousand dollars of each other so there are no "mega expensive winches" - except they're unfortunately all too expensive. My agenda is simple; help build the best winches in the world without constant and distinctly unwelcome interference from people with nothing constructive to add. In all the years you've been posting about winch construction, you've never added a single new idea. But you've campaigned loudly and often against any every offered by anyone else. I've read every BGA publication on winch launch that's ever been published. I've read every training BGA syllabus - and I've read ALL your accident reports. Your accident record is far from the best. It's in a three ring binder about 4" thick on my bookshelf. Your stuff is OK but no better than other sources. So, here's an offer. Stop attacking everything we do and I won't comment about the Skylaunch. We are going to build, publicly test and write detailed articles about our winches. I expect no derogatory commentary from you. We are not British Subjects and certainly not your students. I am struggling to understand what cable tension has to do with anything. I have been winch launched 10000 times and have driven a winch for many more launches than that over 50 years and the only thing that concerns me is the speed of the cable retrieval at the delivery end. Yes I use the bow in the cable to keep the speed constant but this is a relative thing, not an absolute. I accelerate quicker than most drivers to keep the ground run as short as possible and to give the pilot aerodynamic control as quickly as possible. I also reduce the speed at the top of the launch often causing the glider to back release. It really does not matter how it is done but the important thing is that the control applied by the winch driver is reflected in the response of the winch to his input at the business end. I can think of few, if any accidents that have been caused by "tension spikes" whatever they are, and a lot caused by varying amounts of a lack of skill. It is a real shame that people are being denied an economic alternative launch procedure by ignorance. It does not have to be complicated, in fact given the use to which it is put the simpler the better. The winches we have in the UK work, and they work well. Reading some of the postings about tension control has been interesting in an amusing sort of way, well actually it's been a hoot. Learn from the mistakes of the Munster Van Gelder winch, an excellent winch with many advanced features, most of which are switched off in normal operation. The servicing overhead is massive and the only people able to run them, with one exception is the RAF. Yes it gives an excellent launch, probably the best I have ever had but at a huge cost in maintenance overheads. Why, because it is too complicated with too many advanced features even when driven by what are really proffesional winch drivers. I am also struggling to understand why so much notice is being taken of someone who obviously knows so little about the practical operation of glider winches. As Wayne has said, almost no winching is carried out in the USA so I would have thought it sensible to consult those who do operate winches rather than some crackpot with wild ideas and zero knowledge. |
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