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Old August 31st 09, 07:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Aug 31, 1:21*pm, John Smith wrote:
Flaps_50! wrote:
You have been told rubbish. Up to maneuvring speed it is safe to
instantly and fully deflect any control, also the rudder.

Is this still true at MTOW?


Of course. This is the very definition of maneuvring speed. The
maneuvring speed may change with the actual weight, though.


The good thing about this thread is at least some pilots may have
gained second thoughts about on purpose steep banks. The principal
posters have made their points, to which I might add "legal" does not
mean "wise" and the hope is we have become somewhat wiser.

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Old September 1st 09, 01:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Aug 31, 1:18*pm, a wrote:

The good thing about this thread is at least some pilots may have
gained second thoughts about on purpose steep banks. The principal
posters have made their points, to which I might add "legal" does not
mean "wise" and the hope is we have become somewhat wiser.


Very well stated. As you stated legal doesn't mean wise for those
exceeding their capability. I did not feel I exceeded my piloting
capabilities and still remained within legal parameters of FARS 91.303
and 91.307. Outcome speaks for itself.

A lesser bank for inexperienced pilots would be potentially a fatal
manuever.

As I stated earlier, I have no need to do this again, but in an
emergency at least now I am a little better prepared for how things
can happen quickly.

Why NOT learn without the duress of an actual emergency?
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Old September 2nd 09, 08:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 2, 12:40*am, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Aug 31, 1:18*pm, a wrote:

The good thing about this thread is at least some pilots may have
gained second thoughts about on purpose steep banks. The principal
posters have made their points, to which I might add "legal" does not
mean "wise" and the hope is we have become somewhat wiser.


Very well stated. *As you stated legal doesn't mean wise for those
exceeding their capability. *I did not feel I exceeded my piloting
capabilities and still remained within legal parameters of FARS 91.303
and 91.307. *Outcome speaks for itself.

A lesser bank for inexperienced pilots would be potentially a fatal
manuever.


Lordy. It's you that's inexperienced as your "Jeez" in the cockpit
revealed.
This is heading toward becoming a teaching exercise for human factors.


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Old September 2nd 09, 07:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 2, 2:30*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Lordy. It's you that's inexperienced as your "Jeez" in the cockpit
revealed.
This is heading toward becoming a teaching exercise for human factors.


The reaction was recognition of what the plane did and how efficiently
the manuever workd. Reactions by saying Jeez do not dictate
experience.

The plane did EXACTLY what I expected during the maneuver. I banked,
the nose fell through and I recovered.

You really show your cluelessness don't you!
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Old September 3rd 09, 06:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 3, 6:41*am, BeechSundowner wrote:
On Sep 2, 2:30*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Lordy. It's you that's inexperienced as your "Jeez" in the cockpit
revealed.
This is heading toward becoming a teaching exercise for human factors.


The reaction was recognition of what the plane did and how efficiently
the manuever workd. * Reactions by saying Jeez do not dictate
experience.

The plane did EXACTLY what I expected during the maneuver. *I banked,
the nose fell through and I recovered.

You really show your cluelessness don't you!


"Jeez I went through". Yep, exactly as you expected. And now an ad
hominem ...
Why am I not surprised?

Cheers
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Old September 3rd 09, 02:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sep 3, 12:00*am, "Flaps_50!" wrote:

Why am I not surprised?


If you base someone's acknowledgement / reaction of the behavior of a
plane "as an inexperienced pilot", you really are clueless. Your
latests responses make absolutey no sense to me.
 




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