Ban the CNE Airshow

What is the CNE air show???

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Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.

The dried frog pills, right?


No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.

....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!


Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.

Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
of dingbats similar to yourself.


hth hand stfu GSTQ



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It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
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I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the
Aviation groups.

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What is the CNE air show???

Garry O wrote:
"Mad as a Box of Frogs" wrote in message
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In article
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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
(Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Hix wrote:
In article ,
"vaughn" wrote:

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" wrote in message
...
Truly the most ...

Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.

The dried frog pills, right?


No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.

....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!


Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.

Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
of dingbats similar to yourself.


hth hand stfu GSTQ



--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the
Aviation groups.

Canadian International Air Show :-)
http://www.cias.org/
One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
millions) into the local economy every year.

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Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)

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Garry O wrote:
"Jerry Wass" wrote in message
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What is the CNE air show???

Garry O wrote:
"Mad as a Box of Frogs" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
(Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Hix wrote:
In article ,
"vaughn" wrote:

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" wrote in message
...
Truly the most ...

Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.

The dried frog pills, right?


No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.

....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain stem!


Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.

Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead of
offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other bumpkins
offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea what
I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe from
supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
of dingbats similar to yourself.


hth hand stfu GSTQ



--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in the
Aviation groups.

Canadian International Air Show :-)
http://www.cias.org/
One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
millions) into the local economy every year.

--
Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)



Hold it in a field hundreds of kilometers away from the core of the GTA.
Let 'em all crash and burn out there. 7 fliers in a Nimrod would have
still been alive if not for the restrictions imposed on a freaking Nimrod
trying to fly at low altitude within the confines of office towers,
condominiums and city parks packed with spectators.

Insanity.


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DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

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Garry O wrote:
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What is the CNE air show???

Garry O wrote:
"Mad as a Box of Frogs" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
(Mad as a Box of Frogs) wrote:

In article ,
Steve Hix wrote:
In article ,
"vaughn" wrote:

"Mad as a Box of Frogs" wrote in message
...
Truly the most ...

Please take a pill and don't call us in the morning.

The dried frog pills, right?


No amount of pills will bring that Nimrod crew back.

....nor will it help you to operate on anything more than a brain
stem!


Well gawwwwwwwleeeee Orval, which turnip truck dod you tumble off of.

Listen up Orv. You have a disease. It's the insolent disease. Instead
of
offering up anything relevant or cogent you like so many other
bumpkins
offer up a one-eyed bubble of TV inspired sarcasm. You have no idea
what
I operate on and even less of an idea about keeping the public safe
from
supersonic jets flying over crowded urban centers to entertain masses
of dingbats similar to yourself.


hth hand stfu GSTQ



--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

It would seem that I was correct, you really are the only one here with
half a brain, as originally suggested by your sig.
I would recommend that you actually put that half to work, instead of
only using a few neurons at a time as is currently obvious to all in
the
Aviation groups.

Canadian International Air Show :-)
http://www.cias.org/
One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
millions) into the local economy every year.

--
Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)



Hold it in a field hundreds of kilometers away from the core of the GTA.
Let 'em all crash and burn out there. 7 fliers in a Nimrod would have
still been alive if not for the restrictions imposed on a freaking Nimrod
trying to fly at low altitude within the confines of office towers,
condominiums and city parks packed with spectators.

Insanity.


--
Master of Puppets - Burkina Faso Hellraisers - www.thescambaiter.com
DENSA Life Achievement ø Am I the only one with half a brain?

you keep mourning for the loss of the Nimrod crew but seem very keen for
everyone else to die, does retardation run deep in your family, or is it
just you with the problem ??
The only one here with obvious insanity problem is you.

--
Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)

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Garry O wrote:

Canadian International Air Show :-)
http://www.cias.org/
One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
millions) into the local economy every year.

You seem to be knowledgable about the technical aspects, but I don't
think the quantity of money involved is very significant. How many
people come to Toronto just for this airshow, and not the CNE per se?
Surely far fewer than for many other events like Caribana and the Gay
Pride celebrations. And hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't all that
much these days, y'know. It costs on the order of half a million to
buy a very ordinary small old house on a tiny lot in downtown Toronto.
Even a downtown condo costs about that much. In an economy of more than
2 million people in Toronto and about 8-10 million in the GTA, even a
few million dollars isn't very much.

I live several miles north of the site, and I've put up with the noise
for decades. When the planes turn around between stunts, they do so
over my house and a lot of other densely populated terrain in downtown
Toronto -- probably some of the most densely populated terrain in Canada.

This year the noise was substantially worse than it's ever been. I could
feel the porch floorboards vibrating under my feet on some passes,
as well as a sort of vibration in my bones and chest. The noise level
was often painful, and it kept setting off car alarms. This is really
unacceptable, even if it's "only" six days.

We took some photos of the planes causing the most problems as they flew
overhead, and they had US NAVY painted on the undersides. Perhaps this
troupe flew much lower than usual.

I'd like to know if any effort is made to minimize noise by, for example,
doing as much of the turning as possible over the lake, or at higher
altitudes. I think there should be limits set on the intensity of noise
at ground level away from the site of the actual show -- these fliers
should be able to modify their performances to meet rules that make
them less of a problem for the hundreds of thousands of people under
their flight paths who are not interested in the airshow. It's not
like it's taking place in a rural area where the spectators outnumber
the uninvolved.

I suspect that if some significant effort at noise abatement isn't made,
the airshow may indeed be banned. If the CIAS isn't willing to do so,
they may have to find another venue for the show.

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Garry O wrote:

Canadian International Air Show :-)
http://www.cias.org/
One of things that injects hundreds of thousands of dollars (probably
millions) into the local economy every year.


Buy this man a round!!!!!!!!!!


I live several miles north of the site, and I've put up with the noise
for decades. When the planes turn around between stunts, they do so
over my house and a lot of other densely populated terrain in downtown
Toronto -- probably some of the most densely populated terrain in Canada.

My point underscored - by the majority of Torontonians. It *has* to be
stopped. Petition is necessary.

My new cause I suppose - wait - not new. I've been beating this tree
trunk for more than 13 years.


This year the noise was substantially worse than it's ever been. I could
feel the porch floorboards vibrating under my feet on some passes,
as well as a sort of vibration in my bones and chest. The noise level
was often painful, and it kept setting off car alarms. This is really
unacceptable, even if it's "only" six days.

Windows vibrating. Every life form flying or running terrified. Worse than
the worst of thunderstorms. Truly insane "entertainment". For what?
The pathetic rotting carcass of CNE coffers.


We took some photos of the planes causing the most problems as they flew
overhead, and they had US NAVY painted on the undersides. Perhaps this
troupe flew much lower than usual.

Ya think? I was told fines were levied. I've checked for a news story
about this but have yet to pun down the actual story. The DB level cuased
ringing in the ears for a good while after the assholes landed.

I'd like to know if any effort is made to minimize noise by, for example,
doing as much of the turning as possible over the lake, or at higher
altitudes. I think there should be limits set on the intensity of noise
at ground level away from the site of the actual show -- these fliers
should be able to modify their performances to meet rules that make
them less of a problem for the hundreds of thousands of people under
their flight paths who are not interested in the airshow. It's not
like it's taking place in a rural area where the spectators outnumber
the uninvolved.


The rediculous spectacle has to be relocated to an area where there is no
chance of thousands of people being incinerated from *another*
catastrophic crash. It is the repugnant CNE cash greedy that insists on
this annual Russian roulette show being located over the city core.
All important box office sales to keep pumping life into a truly mundane
"exhibition". We do not need supersonic military aircraft formation flying
over our city. Period.

I suspect that if some significant effort at noise abatement isn't made,
the airshow may indeed be banned. If the CIAS isn't willing to do so,
they may have to find another venue for the show.


Petition.

Great followup sir!


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Mad as a Box of Frogs wrote:

Petition.

And who will you present the petition to? CIAS? CNE? Why should they do
anything other than ignore it?

It would be more effective to write to your MP, MPP and city councillor.
That's what I intend to do. I also intend to present the case calmly
and without hyperbole, asking whether there are noise limit rules, and
whether they can be enforced more effectively.

Rather than spending your time and effort on petitions, encourage others
to write to the people who can actually do something about the problem,
and can be motivated to act, rather than the people whose vested interest
is in the status quo.

Great followup sir!

That's ma'am, not sir.

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Mad as a Box of Frogs wrote:

Petition.

And who will you present the petition to? CIAS? CNE? Why should they do
anything other than ignore it?

It would be more effective to write to your MP, MPP and city councillor.
That's what I intend to do. I also intend to present the case calmly
and without hyperbole, asking whether there are noise limit rules, and
whether they can be enforced more effectively.

Rather than spending your time and effort on petitions, encourage others
to write to the people who can actually do something about the problem,
and can be motivated to act, rather than the people whose vested interest
is in the status quo.

Great followup sir!

That's ma'am, not sir.


And the MP's etc will look at it, look at the generated revenue and toss it
in the too hard basket while telling you they "will look into it"

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Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)

What is the CNE air show???

Canadian National Exhibition

And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

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What is the CNE air show???

Canadian National Exhibition

And to the rec.aviation folks, your being trolled by an idiot.

we figured that :-)

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Flying RA Aus, because its cheaper and I can do it more often :-)