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Mark Hansen wrote:
I know that at a towered airport, you must have a clearance before you may operate on the taxiway. I don't think anyone is trying to dispute that. But I think the two conversations are focusing on different aspects of the issue, which is causing some confusion. A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. |
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![]() "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, or operating equipment that does not have a yellow blinking light? I seem to recall "unauthorized movement" or something like that. -- Jim in NC |
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![]() "Morgans" wrote in message ... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, or operating equipment that does not have a yellow blinking light? I seem to recall "unauthorized movement" or something like that. -- Jim in NC I should have specified a vehicle (not an aircraft) that does not have a yellow blinking light. -- Jim in NC |
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On Sep 16, 7:03*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. *Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, I don't know. You tell us. Steven found the definition of Runway Incursion so I'm sure you guys will have no problem finding the definition of Taxiway Incursion or whatever. ... In the meantime, "By the way, a runway incursion is simply driving an airplane to somewhere it is not supposed to be on a particular airport at that particular time. ...an airplane at a controlled airport that entered a taxiway onto which it had not been cleared would also be considered a runway incursion." http://www.genebenson.com/Articles/r...rsions_new.htm Now, I'm telling you all one last time, that's JUST EXACTLY what the FAA told me, and also how the tower reported the incursions. Whether you choose to accept that is up to you. Goodbye. -c |
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C Gattman wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:03 pm, "Morgans" wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, I don't know. You tell us. Steven found the definition of Runway Incursion so I'm sure you guys will have no problem finding the definition of Taxiway Incursion or whatever. ... In the meantime, "By the way, a runway incursion is simply driving an airplane to somewhere it is not supposed to be on a particular airport at that particular time. ...an airplane at a controlled airport that entered a taxiway onto which it had not been cleared would also be considered a runway incursion." http://www.genebenson.com/Articles/r...rsions_new.htm Now, I'm telling you all one last time, that's JUST EXACTLY what the FAA told me, and also how the tower reported the incursions. Whether you choose to accept that is up to you. Goodbye. -c The FAA didn't tell you that, a misinformed guy from FSDO told you that. He was wrong, Benson's wrong, and if the tower did what you claim they were wrong too. |
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C Gattman wrote:
I don't know. You tell us. Steven found the definition of Runway Incursion so I'm sure you guys will have no problem finding the definition of Taxiway Incursion or whatever. ... In the meantime, "By the way, a runway incursion is simply driving an airplane to somewhere it is not supposed to be on a particular airport at that particular time. ...an airplane at a controlled airport that entered a taxiway onto which it had not been cleared would also be considered a runway incursion." http://www.genebenson.com/Articles/r...rsions_new.htm Now, I'm telling you all one last time, that's JUST EXACTLY what the FAA told me, and also how the tower reported the incursions. Whether you choose to accept that is up to you. Goodbye. The FAA didn't tell you that, a misinformed guy from FSDO told you that. He was wrong, Benson's wrong, and if the tower did what you claim they were wrong too. |
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Morgans wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, or operating equipment that does not have a yellow blinking light? I seem to recall "unauthorized movement" or something like that. Unauthorized operation on a taxiway would be a Pilot Deviation, Vehicle Deviation, or Pedestrian Deviation, depending on the culprit. |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Morgans wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, or operating equipment that does not have a yellow blinking light? I seem to recall "unauthorized movement" or something like that. Unauthorized operation on a taxiway would be a Pilot Deviation, Vehicle Deviation, or Pedestrian Deviation, depending on the culprit. I saw a Coyote Deviation a couple of days ago... |
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:33:32 -0700, Jim Stewart wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote: Morgans wrote: "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote A clearance is required to operate on a taxiway, operating on a taxiway without a clearance does NOT constitute a runway incursion. I agree fully with that. Isn't there an official term for operation on a taxiway without permission, or operating equipment that does not have a yellow blinking light? I seem to recall "unauthorized movement" or something like that. Unauthorized operation on a taxiway would be a Pilot Deviation, Vehicle Deviation, or Pedestrian Deviation, depending on the culprit. I saw a Coyote Deviation a couple of days ago... I have a septum deviation........... |
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