NTSB Report on Bill Phillips' Accident

On Sep 24, 7:19*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message

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Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:57:04 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

Others have stated that the occlusion mentioned may not have been that
impacting. *But I don't think it justified Phillips claiming that it
"showed no blockage."

in your entire life you've never told a lie in a situation of great
duress????????

I've only told a lie twice in my life. *Uhhh, three, if you count now..
Uhhh...four? :-)

We're not talking a mere "lie," here, we're talking about a criminal act.

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:30:52 +0000 (UTC), Clark
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Stealth Pilot wrote in
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Ron
Acute in the medical sense is quite different from our usual meaning.
typically we laymen use acute to mean serious.
In medical terms acute just means 'of short duration'
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Nope. It means of severe and short duration so far.

Don't minimize this one. Bill was obviously way over the line to be flying a
plane. If we try to hide it behind fancy words then we are doing ourselves a
disfavor.

that's the problem. bill wasnt obviously anything. he could have had a
pair of knickers over his face or have been blinded by something in
his eyes. you leap to the drugs aspect as the cause.
the stupid canopy design used on the aircraft was a greater factor in
the accident than his blood chemistry.

ymmv
Stealth Pilot

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:10:23 -0700 (PDT), Ben
wrote:

On Sep 24, 7:19*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message

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BTW, all of this makes it seem almost appropriate to ask: *does anyone here
know how Mrs Phillips got her nickname?

Peter
Staying with sliding and not hinged canopies!- Hide quoted text -

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Boom Boom was the sound the plane made as it hit the ground in a
uncontrolled manner.... Bubbles and Trixie just don't roll of the
tongue right..

you're an idiot ben.
Bill posted the story behind the nickname here many years ago.
it has something to do with the timing of a thunderstorm :-)

Stealth Pilot

On Sep 25, 7:05*am, Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:10:23 -0700 (PDT), Ben
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On Sep 24, 7:19*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message

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BTW, all of this makes it seem almost appropriate to ask: *does anyone here
know how Mrs Phillips got her nickname?

Peter
Staying with sliding and not hinged canopies!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Boom Boom was the sound the plane made as it hit the ground in a
uncontrolled manner.... Bubbles and Trixie just don't roll of the
tongue right..

you're an idiot ben.
Bill posted the story behind the nickname here many years ago.
it has something to do with the timing of a thunderstorm :-)

Stealth Pilot- Hide quoted text -

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Just some light hearted fun...... Ease back on the serious button
sir...

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Ben wrote:

On Sep 25, 7:05*am, Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:10:23 -0700 (PDT), Ben
wrote:





On Sep 24, 7:19*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message

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BTW, all of this makes it seem almost appropriate to ask: *does anyone
here
know how Mrs Phillips got her nickname?

Peter
Staying with sliding and not hinged canopies!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Boom Boom was the sound the plane made as it hit the ground in a
uncontrolled manner.... Bubbles and Trixie just don't roll of the
tongue right..

you're an idiot ben.
Bill posted the story behind the nickname here many years ago.
it has something to do with the timing of a thunderstorm :-)

Stealth Pilot- Hide quoted text -

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Just some light hearted fun...... Ease back on the serious button
sir...

Making a joke of a fatal crash, especially one involving serious injury
of the surviving spouse, is nothing in world like "light hearted fun".

"Stealth Pilot" wrote in message
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that's the problem. bill wasnt obviously anything. he could have had a
pair of knickers over his face or have been blinded by something in
his eyes. you leap to the drugs aspect as the cause.
the stupid canopy design used on the aircraft was a greater factor in
the accident than his blood chemistry.

ymmv
Stealth Pilot

Some clarifications;

Acute in a clinicians realm is either a new sudden onset such as AMI (Acute
Myocardial Infarction) or a sudden flare up of an old condition such as
Acute Exacerbation of COPD.

Chronic is an ongoing but currently stable problem. Chronic Obstructive
Pulmonary Disease. Chronic conditions over the course of time cause
deterioration and for many mortality. Example would be Pulmonary Fibrosis.

In another post a "doctor" from POA said Bill's "Vicodin Level" was near
lethal. There is no such thing as a Vicodin Level. Vicodin (Lortab, Norco
etc) is a combination of acetaminophen (Tylenol) and hydrocodone. In the
report Bill's acetaminophen level was barely at the low end of therapeutic
and the hydrocodone and metabolites were sub therapeutic.

This isn't meant as defense of anyone it is only a clarification from a
clinicians perspective.


tom c

Steve Hix schreef:

Making a joke of a fatal crash, especially one involving serious injury
of the surviving spouse, is nothing in world like "light hearted fun".

Thank you for wording my thoughts better than I could myself. Not done,
indeed!
KA

On Sep 25, 11:30*am, Steve Hix wrote:
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*Ben wrote:
On Sep 25, 7:05*am, Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:10:23 -0700 (PDT), Ben
wrote:

On Sep 24, 7:19*pm, "Peter Dohm" wrote:
"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message

...

BTW, all of this makes it seem almost appropriate to ask: *does anyone
here
know how Mrs Phillips got her nickname?

Peter
Staying with sliding and not hinged canopies!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Boom Boom was the sound the plane made as it hit the ground in a
uncontrolled manner.... Bubbles and Trixie just don't roll of the
tongue right..

you're an idiot ben.
Bill posted the story behind the nickname here many years ago.
it has something to do with the timing of a thunderstorm :-)

Stealth Pilot- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just some light hearted fun...... Ease back on the serious button
sir...

Making a joke of a fatal crash, especially one involving serious injury
of the surviving spouse, is nothing in world like "light hearted fun".- Hide quoted text -

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Back a few years ago BWB and a few of his cheering section had a field
day at my expense and most thought his verbal attack was cute..... To
hear some people talk about his flying ability you would think he was
the best pilot ever. So......
Lets gather the facts.

1- He was flying an experimental that was built by a hired gun...
What, was he not smart enough to build his own?
2- Gave false info on his last medical. = illegal.
3- Took off with a gusting 20 kt tailwind. = dumb
4- took off under the influence of several painkillers. = illegal
5- failed to pilot his plane to a successful landing. = dumb
6- Seriously injured a passenger in the plane he was Pilot in Command
of. = fact

Now. unless they found his wife bound and gagged in the wreckage
common sense says she had to have known he was on drugs and got into
the plane with him anyway ... On her own. This whole NTSB report reads
like a comic book of things , NOT TO DO. It is so crazy it is
funny..... Hence the " light hearted " comment. YMMV.

tom c wrote:
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Some clarifications;

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In another post a "doctor" from POA said Bill's "Vicodin Level" was near
lethal....
tom c




Hmmmm...you too may be a "doctor" or even a doctor, so let me ask: which
elements of the drug cocktail reported in BWB's corpse would lead to the
official description of a "toxic" quantity?

I could mention that aspirin and codeine, and paracetamol
(acetaminophen) and codeine are over-the counter pain killers in Europe,
so presumably it is not that element that is drawing approbation...
One supposes it is the rat-poison?

Brian Whatcott

"brian whatcott" wrote in message
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tom c wrote:
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Some clarifications;

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In another post a "doctor" from POA said Bill's "Vicodin Level" was near
lethal....
tom c


Hmmmm...you too may be a "doctor" or even a doctor, so let me ask: which
elements of the drug cocktail reported in BWB's corpse would lead to the
official description of a "toxic" quantity?

I could mention that aspirin and codeine, and paracetamol (acetaminophen)
and codeine are over-the counter pain killers in Europe,
so presumably it is not that element that is drawing approbation...
One supposes it is the rat-poison?

Brian Whatcott


The report itself never uses the term toxic. In Emergency treatment blood
levels alone are used to gauge toxicity. Urine levels are used for detection
alone.
The urine level for hydromorphone (Dilaudid) was elevated to a level that
would be toxic in blood tests but are not out of line in urine.. The report
has no listing for warfarin (Coumadin), warfarin being the active ingredient
in rat poisons.

As for me not a doc. I'm a Registered Nurse with specialty certifications in
Emergency Nursing, Prehospital Nursing and Flight Nursing (the crazy
*******s who fly out to car wrecks and start treatment there).


tom c