Silicon free polishes?

Darryl Ramm wrote:

On Sep 27, 8:39*am, John Cochrane
wrote:
Starbrite Marine Polish with FTPE is very good. It's designed for gel
coat to be put in water (boat). It was recommended to me by Dave
Nelson after he did some refinishing work. Rub on, wipe off, shiny.
John Cochrane

And from the MSDS (http://www.sunworld.net.au/starbrite/msds.html, I
could only find the OZ one) that also seems to contain silicone. Maybe
relaying as much that silicone worry is a non-issue if people who do
glider refinishing are happy to use it themselves as with the Star
Brite or the Mequiars wax. Still you won't see me cleaning bugs off my
glider with Pledge any time soon.

Presumably the Star Brite is really a polish not just a plain wax. But
maybe for use on gelcoat a bit if hand polish is a good thing.

Darryl

Maybe it has other brand names, but I use Carlack (or PolyLack because
it has a sailplane on the label). Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.

At 20:56 27 September 2009, Gilbert Smith wrote:
Darryl Ramm wrote:

On Sep 27, 8:39*am, John Cochrane
wrote:
Starbrite Marine Polish with FTPE is very good. It's designed for
gel
coat to be put in water (boat). It was recommended to me by Dave
Nelson after he did some refinishing work. Rub on, wipe off, shiny.
John Cochrane

And from the MSDS (http://www.sunworld.net.au/starbrite/msds.html, I
could only find the OZ one) that also seems to contain silicone. Maybe
relaying as much that silicone worry is a non-issue if people who do
glider refinishing are happy to use it themselves as with the Star
Brite or the Mequiars wax. Still you won't see me cleaning bugs off my
glider with Pledge any time soon.

Presumably the Star Brite is really a polish not just a plain wax. But
maybe for use on gelcoat a bit if hand polish is a good thing.

Darryl

Maybe it has other brand names, but I use Carlack (or PolyLack because
it has a sailplane on the label). Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.


Carlack cuts a little while Polylack doesn't

descriptions from product search on this site:
http://www.afeonline.com/

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Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.


I would bet that repair shops clean, clean and grind all old areas back
to degree that there will be no problems with any product used on a
surface.
There are so many contaminants floating around that a repair shop must
go through a careful cleaning of the damaged area before any work is
started.
So, I doubt that it makes any difference as to the brand/type of polish
used.
Your opinion may vary.
Jump in.
Bob

In article ,
Robert Gaines wrote:

Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.


I would bet that repair shops clean, clean and grind all old areas back
to degree that there will be no problems with any product used on a
surface.
There are so many contaminants floating around that a repair shop must
go through a careful cleaning of the damaged area before any work is
started.
So, I doubt that it makes any difference as to the brand/type of polish
used.
Your opinion may vary.
Jump in.
Bob


Been in a number of glider repair shops. Usually see empty New Finish
bottles lying around...

On Sep 28, 11:09*am, Berry wrote:
Been in a number of glider repair shops...

It was your partner's fault, ehhh ?

In article
,
Dave Nadler wrote:

On Sep 28, 11:09*am, Berry wrote:
Been in a number of glider repair shops...

It was your partner's fault, ehhh ?

Never my own glider (yet) thankfully. A wonder considering how often I
land out!

Many years ago I attended at talk on gelcoat maintenance by Mr. Schneider
(the "S" in LS)

He clearly stated that it does not matter at all if polish used on glider
surfaces contain silicone. The reason: exactly what Bob also notes, no
professional repairs can be done unless the surface is ground way beyond the
depth to which silicone can penetrate.
I guess he should know. I have since then used silicone based polishes on my
gliders, and I have also had them repaired (dont ask..) without any
complaints from the shops

Happy (silicone assisted) soaring,
Lars Peder
DG-600 EE, Denmark



"Robert Gaines" wrote in message
...
Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.


I would bet that repair shops clean, clean and grind all old areas back
to degree that there will be no problems with any product used on a
surface.
There are so many contaminants floating around that a repair shop must
go through a careful cleaning of the damaged area before any work is
started.
So, I doubt that it makes any difference as to the brand/type of polish
used.
Your opinion may vary.
Jump in.
Bob

On Sep 28, 1:26*pm, "Lars Peder Hansen"
wrote:
Many years ago I attended at talk on gelcoat maintenance by Mr. Schneider
(the "S" in LS)

He clearly stated that it does not matter at all if polish used on glider
surfaces contain silicone. The reason: exactly what Bob also notes, no
professional repairs can be done unless the surface is ground way beyond the
depth to which silicone can penetrate.
I guess he should know. I have since then used silicone based polishes on my
gliders, and I have also had them repaired (dont ask..) without any
complaints from the shops

Happy (silicone assisted) soaring,
Lars Peder
DG-600 EE, Denmark

"Robert Gaines" wrote in message

...



Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.

I would bet that repair shops clean, clean and grind all old areas back
to degree that there will be no problems with any product used on a
surface.
*There are so many contaminants floating around that a repair shop must
go through a careful cleaning of the damaged area before any work is
started.
So, I doubt that it makes any difference as to the brand/type of polish
used.
Your opinion may vary.
* Jump in.
Bob- Hide quoted text -

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I'm by no means an expert (just a guy who does an ocaisional minor
cosmetic repair or refinish now and again), but my mentors taught me
to start every project with copious amounts of 3M Prep Solvent (or
equivalent) to remove wax, oil, grease, etc. This usually meant two
passes using new (clean) paper towels for each pass. Never had any
problems with gelcoat adhesion...


P3

On Sep 27, 1:56*pm, Gilbert Smith wrote:
[snip]
Maybe it has other brand names, but I use Carlack (or PolyLack because
it has a sailplane on the label). Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.

Well Polylack seems to claim no silicon and Carlack does contains
silicone at least that is clearly warned on the AFE Online web site.
So if that is what you are worried about which one of the two you use
seems to be pretty significant. So back to the argument of is really
an issue or not?...

Darryl

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:34:39 -0700, Darryl Ramm wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:56Â*pm, Gilbert Smith wrote: [snip]
Maybe it has other brand names, but I use Carlack (or PolyLack because
it has a sailplane on the label). Easy to use and silicone free as far
as I know.

I use Mer 'Ultimate Car Polish', a UK product, on my airframe. Its MSDS
shows it to be non hazardous and doesn't list silicone, *but* their FAQ
says that their polish contains silicone and that all polishes contain it.

I also use Sparkle on my canopy. Its a US product and was apparently
developed during WW2 to clean B-29 canopies. I haven't found an MSDS but
they say the product contains only water, a mixture of glycols and a
purple tint.


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