Avid flyer

On Oct 5, 1:05 pm, jan olieslagers
wrote:
-) It is a taildragger and I am but a beginner pilot, took all my
training on tricycles. Can a taildragger Avid Flyer be converted to
tricycle? If so, how much of an effort does it take?

I bet it would probably cost as much money and time to convert that
airplane to a trike as it would to convert you to a taildragger pilot.
Best thing about becoming a TD pilot is that you will be ably to fly
any subsequent airplane, not just your triked Avid. Isn't that a
better investment?

Dan

schreef:
On Oct 5, 1:05 pm, jan olieslagers
wrote:
-) It is a taildragger and I am but a beginner pilot, took all my
training on tricycles. Can a taildragger Avid Flyer be converted to
tricycle? If so, how much of an effort does it take?

I bet it would probably cost as much money and time to convert that
airplane to a trike as it would to convert you to a taildragger pilot.

To make that assumption, one must be able to estimate both factors.
Being a slow learner, I think the effort to make me a taildragger pilot
might be considerable; with the added complication of having to find an
adequate instructor, available when I am, &C

Best thing about becoming a TD pilot is that you will be ably to fly
any subsequent airplane, not just your triked Avid. Isn't that a
better investment?

Acquiring the technique is one thing, keeping it up is another. Your
reasoning applies for someone flying often, and in different planes. Bar
major financial progress, this is not my outlook. And in the long run a
tricycle will be intrinsically safer, I believe, but that's another
discussion.

So allow me to repeat the question: what kind and amount of work would
it take to convert a taildragger Avid Flyer to tricycle?

jan olieslagers wrote:
schreef:
On Oct 5, 1:05 pm, jan olieslagers
wrote:
-) It is a taildragger and I am but a beginner pilot, took all my
training on tricycles. Can a taildragger Avid Flyer be converted to
tricycle? If so, how much of an effort does it take?

I bet it would probably cost as much money and time to convert that
airplane to a trike as it would to convert you to a taildragger pilot.

To make that assumption, one must be able to estimate both factors.
Being a slow learner, I think the effort to make me a taildragger pilot
might be considerable; with the added complication of having to find an
adequate instructor, available when I am, &C

Best thing about becoming a TD pilot is that you will be ably to fly
any subsequent airplane, not just your triked Avid. Isn't that a
better investment?

Acquiring the technique is one thing, keeping it up is another. Your
reasoning applies for someone flying often, and in different planes. Bar
major financial progress, this is not my outlook. And in the long run a
tricycle will be intrinsically safer, I believe, but that's another
discussion.

So allow me to repeat the question: what kind and amount of work would
it take to convert a taildragger Avid Flyer to tricycle?


Hogwash! I might buy that in a fast glass taildragger, but an Avid?

LEARN

cavelamb schreef:

LEARN

Don't want to be rude, Richard, but I am coming here for answers, not
for orders.

Apologies offered, jan.

But understand, this is the perfect airplane to learn the art.
If it's set up at all right, they don't come any more docile.

Add the ultra low speed for takeoff and landing, a steerable
tailwheel, and differential braking (I'm happy with heels -
some want to toe dance), it's just doesn't get much better!

So, in my humble opinion, go forth and do it.
You are going to love it!

Richard





jan olieslagers wrote:
cavelamb schreef:

LEARN

Don't want to be rude, Richard, but I am coming here for answers, not
for orders.

"jan olieslagers" wrote in message
...
schreef:
On Oct 5, 1:05 pm, jan olieslagers
wrote:
-) It is a taildragger and I am but a beginner pilot, took all my
training on tricycles. Can a taildragger Avid Flyer be converted to
tricycle? If so, how much of an effort does it take?

I bet it would probably cost as much money and time to convert
that
airplane to a trike as it would to convert you to a taildragger
pilot.

To make that assumption, one must be able to estimate both factors.
Being a slow learner, I think the effort to make me a taildragger
pilot
might be considerable; with the added complication of having to find
an
adequate instructor, available when I am, &C

Best thing about becoming a TD pilot is that you will be ably to fly
any subsequent airplane, not just your triked Avid. Isn't that a
better investment?

Acquiring the technique is one thing, keeping it up is another. Your
reasoning applies for someone flying often, and in different planes.
Bar
major financial progress, this is not my outlook. And in the long run
a
tricycle will be intrinsically safer, I believe, but that's another
discussion.

So allow me to repeat the question: what kind and amount of work would
it take to convert a taildragger Avid Flyer to tricycle?

Once your feet get woke up learning to takeoff and land the taildragger
you will not lose the skill. I went for a few years not flying a TD and
had no problem getting back in to one. I think you will find this true
for anyone who has mastered TD's.

--
We have met the enemy and he is us-- Pogo

Anyolmouse

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:02:32 +0000, jan olieslagers
wrote:



So allow me to repeat the question: what kind and amount of work would
it take to convert a taildragger Avid Flyer to tricycle?

simple answer ...goes for any taildragger to milkstool conversion.

determin CG position.

cut fuselage apart and move the main gear rearward of the cg and weld
new mounts in position.

either replace the engine mount with one beefed up to support the new
nosewheel
or
cut apart and modify the forward fuselage to take the new nosewheel
mount.

this is probably major surgery on the airframe and will involve a
structural savvy aeronautical engineer to design the mods.

now speaking as a taildragger pilot myself it would be far better if
you polished those stainless steel testicles of yours and went and got
a taildragger endorsement.
you'll never regret mastering the change back to real aeroplanes.
they are lighter, they have less drag, and no matter the swagger of
the milkstool pilot you'll be way cooler.(you wont even need raybans
to look cooler)

Stealth Pilot

On 10/7/2009 8:02 AM, Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:02:32 +0000, jan olieslagers
wrote:



So allow me to repeat the question: what kind and amount of work would
it take to convert a taildragger Avid Flyer to tricycle?

simple answer ...goes for any taildragger to milkstool conversion.

determin CG position.

cut fuselage apart and move the main gear rearward of the cg and weld
new mounts in position.

either replace the engine mount with one beefed up to support the new
nosewheel
or
cut apart and modify the forward fuselage to take the new nosewheel
mount.

this is probably major surgery on the airframe and will involve a
structural savvy aeronautical engineer to design the mods.

now speaking as a taildragger pilot myself it would be far better if
you polished those stainless steel testicles of yours and went and got
a taildragger endorsement.
you'll never regret mastering the change back to real aeroplanes.
they are lighter, they have less drag, and no matter the swagger of
the milkstool pilot you'll be way cooler.(you wont even need raybans
to look cooler)

Stealth Pilot

and much safer in and out of rough field, IMO.

In article ,
says...

now speaking as a taildragger pilot myself it would be far better if
you polished those stainless steel testicles of yours and went and got
a taildragger endorsement.


But, Sir, there is no tailwheel endorsement in Belgium...

Nobody who want to teach TD either: I went to France to get the -in my
eyes necessary- training and even there they would no allow TD-flying
when there was more than 5 knots crosswind-component.

No 5 knots cross means that our flying will be restricted to about 15
days a year.


you'll never regret mastering the change back to real aeroplanes.
they are lighter, they have less drag, and no matter the swagger of
the milkstool pilot you'll be way cooler.(you wont even need raybans
to look cooler)


Nobody argues about the 'cool'-factor but insurances have no 'coolness'-
factor: they charge significantly more for a TD than tricycle. Sadly
they do that for a valid reason.

As for stainless balls: no need for them in a plane. Sounds bad for
weight and balance.

Just my 2 (euro-)cents,

Tom De Moor (as Jan living near Brussels, Belgium)

Tom De Moor schreef:

Nobody who want to teach TD either: I went to France to get the -in my
eyes necessary- training and even there they would no allow TD-flying
when there was more than 5 knots crosswind-component.

In this respect I know better: two of my instructors are experienced
PPL-taildragger pilots, both making beautiful 3-point landings occasionally.

Mind you, they are my instructors on Belgium ultralight (2-seater, 450
kg max gross) which is more like a US-an LSA, and fits the Avid Flyer
neatly.

As for the endorsement: perhaps it doesn't exist legally, I don't doubt
you are right. But no club will let me fly its taildraggers without
proper training, and neither will I risk my own - if ever I buy this
Flyer, at the moment I don't think so.

De groeten, Tom!